Affordable Care Act Timeline, or...

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by garamet, Dec 21, 2013.

  1. John Castle

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    Like Kimmel said, it's just amazing how "popular" something is when the government forces people to do it.

    Wait, let me guess -- you're going to reply to this very post claiming you never referred to a mandate.

    Because that's what you leftists do -- you lie. You lie about everything. It's as if you're incapable of telling the truth, ever. Oh, you'll call your lies truth, of course, even when the real world exposes them as lies at every single turn.
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    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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  3. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    So you just found out that your Waifu can't actually be insured?
  4. John Castle

    John Castle Banned Writer

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    Just remember: If Obamacare has fucked you, as it has fucked millions of Americans, garamet doesn't care. Because garamet doesn't care about individuals.
  5. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You're the one that doesn't care about individuals...except for Number One of course.
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  7. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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  8. Liet

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    Castle has this weird notion that the state must violently enforce his inane and peculiar conception of freedom on everyone, even if they don't want it, don't need it, or will inevitably suffer and die from it. 'Tis better to have the freedom of being uninsured and to be sick or dead than to suffer under the yoke of medical insurance, at least if you're not him. He essentially believes that the overwhelming majority of people who care about and would suffer from restrictions on freedoms beyond the scope of his particular conception of freedom ought to be violently suppressed from disagreeing with and mocking his juvenile and unconsidered conception of freedom. The only freedom he genuinely ascribes to anyone other than himself is the freedom to agree with him.
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  9. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Castle and his BFF belong to the IGMAFEE* Party.

    (*"I've got mine and fuck everybody else.")
  10. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    I think they're far better described as part of the FEETWGMM¹ party. FEE is definitely their primary course of action.

    1 "Fuck Everybody Else; That Will Get Me Mine"
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  11. John Castle

    John Castle Banned Writer

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    You really are a fuckin' moron, do you know that? Freedom thrives in the absence of external force. By definition, you can't force freedom on anyone. The closest that it's possible to get is to forcibly restrain actors who would use force to limit individual freedom.
  12. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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  13. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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  14. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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  15. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    How many people have a Facebook account and how many actually use Facebook? Now apply that to Obamacare and I'll bet you'll get a smaller number than 8 million.
  16. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You're not even trying anymore. :jayzus:
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    The problem comes when you act as if lack of government and lack of external force would actually be the same thing.
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  18. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

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    It's not lack of trying... it's trying too hard, with all the flailing desperation that implies.
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  19. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    Oh but I am, I'm trying to get you to see that this whole thing is held up by smoke and mirrors. There are some serious unanswered questions about the law, the numbers and the rhetoric from the WH that the President refuses to address and the MSM ignores. Without addressing those things, everything else you post is invalid. You are not taking a critical look at things, you are just schilling for the government.
  20. John Castle

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    • Seriously? in what way -- ever -- does government not act as an external coercive force?
  21. tafkats

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    Are you under the impression that without government, there would be no external coercive forces on anyone?
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  22. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    No, but with government, there is always coercive force.
  23. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Then present something other than :sob:, cartoons, and Castle regurgitations.
  24. tafkats

    tafkats scream not working because space make deaf Moderator

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    How dare they tell you not to shoot people who canoe up a river on your property? :mad:
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  25. Liet

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    Obamacare Versus The Wusses

    One of the odd rituals of American punditry — the most famous example is Karl Rove’s tantrum in 2012, but it happens all the time — is the way pundits and operatives keep spinning after the polls have closed. Never mind the vote totals, and let’s dispute the network projections; my guy is still winning!

    The obvious question is, what’s the point? The votes are already in; you can’t build momentum, or attract more donations, or any of those other things that claims of imminent victory might do. Wouldn’t election night be a good time to adopt the persona of hard-headed realist, not delusional wishful thinker? Yet this hardly ever happens.

    Something like this is going on with Obamacare. Not a day goes by without some prominent Republican politician or pundit insisting that the enrollment numbers are phony, that more people are losing insurance than gaining it, etc.. I know that’s what the base believes, because it’s what they hear from Rush and Fox. But you would think that important people would have someone around who has a clue, who knows that enrollment data and multiple surveys are all telling the same story of unexpected success. OK, maybe not — if famous senators don’t have anyone to clue them in about BLS data, they might really still be living in the bubble. But that’s really their choice.

    And the point is that with enrollment more or less closed for 2014, there’s not much point in spinning. OK, maybe if you can keep up the pretense all the way to November, you can slightly sway base voters for the midterms. But even that’s doubtful — by the fall, we’re going to have a very clear picture of how things went; and the shape of that picture has already been determined.

    I guess that what gets me is the — to use the technical term — wussiness of it all. Isn’t there any space on the right for people who sell themselves as tough-minded, who condemn Obamacare on principle but warn their followers that it’s not on the verge of collapse? Is the whole party so insecure, so unable to handle the truth, that it automatically shoots anyone bearing bad news?

    And the answer appears to be yes.

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    Krugman has this exactly right. Conservative reaction to the PPACA and its implementation offers a good example of how people infected by American conservatism are fundamentally cowardly in nature, unable to even acknowledge basic facts, much less deal with them.
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  26. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    ^It's two things: (A) Ignorance about the origins of the terms "right" and "left" (they're under the delusion that one means "righteous and incapable of error" and the other means "left behind") and (B) Fear. They have to be "right," i.e., "correct," or some authority figure - whether it's God, or Daddy reaching for the belt, or some conflation of the two - will punish them.

    Except for Castle. Castle will take whichever side of any issue will get him the most attention.
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  27. John Castle

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    As per usual, you are wrong, and you are a fucking moron for having failed to do the requisite amount of homework required to enable you to avoid being wrong.

    Gauchet, p. 242-245

    As usual, you just fucking spew bullshit out of your heinously stretched asshole to suit whatever imaginary "occasion" you happen to invent on any given day.

    Calm your tits, Often-Wrong.

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  28. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Separating the ObamaCare Facts from the ObamaCare Myths

  29. tafkats

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    I see Castle is continuing his obsession with various parts of garamet's anatomy. Somebody's going to have to tell him she's not interested.
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  30. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Post 1200!!!!!

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