You can yell, "Hey, stop pushing! You're going to hurt someone!" and hope that they come to their senses. Of course, there's also the choice to not shop in person at a store like this and instead either do any Black Friday shopping online or at a responsible store that has enough security to diminish the chance of this happening, or just to avoid Black Friday sales altogether. No discount is worth me potentially being swept up in a mob where I theoretically couldn't control my actions or worse, where I would stand a chance at getting hurt or hurting someone else.
It's Walmart's liability, not the government's. The family of the deceased, and the woman who miscarried, should sue the company.
I wants my cheap shit, I wants my cheap shit!!!! I went to Wal-mart and Toys-r-us this morning. They didn't have what I wanted so I left and just went and got some groceries. People just go to crazy over stuff that will be forgotten by next year.
Shut up idiot. No one said anything about government doing anything. The companies themselves should do it.
It's not a huge problem, and it's --surprise, surprise-- not government's problem to fix. It's on Wal-Mart to establish procedures that have all the excitement that they want to generate while keeping people safe, whether it's by having people enter in single-file lines, having extra security on duty for the first hour of such a sale, urging people to conduct themselves in an orderly fashion, etc. But if you have to have a government solution, if I ran a police department, I would probably encourage patrol officers to keep an eye out at some of the bigger Black Friday sales given that the day after Thanksgiving generally has very little going on, at least at 4-8 a.m.
That's a good idea. But really they should kinda know the deal by now. Hello. Black Friday? It's fucking MANIAC Friday! What you fuckin' kiddin' me! Ai conyo!
You've never been at the first day of the sales in this country. I've done it from both sides, customer and shopworker, and trust me, it ain't pretty, even in Knightsbridge...
They broke down the door and pushed it down on top of him. I guess he felt safe behind the door until that. I think they should just give out numbers as the line forms and then let them in by those numbers one at a time. That way people would not have to stand in line once they got their number and there would not be such a line at the door.
UA is winning this debate rather handily. I applaud his inability to be derailed by ineffective, non-applicable analogies.
You know, alot of the "door buster" sales really aren't all that great. For me at least, the discount isn't enough to justify the all-nighter I'd have to pull to line up for the chance to get one of the 5 that the store may have in stock. And what about that? You stand in line all night, you could be #10 in line, and still miss out on what you want because the store only has 3 in stock. You know how pissed off I'd be if that happened? And it's not like you can line up at more than one store, you make your pick and you have to stick with it. I just don't get the consumer frenzy. I won't say that I've never rushed to a store on the day something is released to make sure I get mine, but nothing is that important to me that I'd put myself to all that trouble. You know, if you take the time to put in even a moderate amount of looking around and shopping, you can find deals throughout the year that rival anything you get on Black Friday. In my opnion, of course.
BULLSHIT!! A difficult choice is not an impossible choice. Even if you portray it as a feat of willpower, it was still possible for them to do the right thing, and that possibility is all that is necessary to place the blame solely on their shoulders.
"Uncle Albert disagrees: that is fucking RETARDED." The only thing retarded here is you. I guareentee you that if you agitate a crowd (or even an individual) to violence and they act on that you will be going to jail.
No. A thousand times fucking NO. It is no outside party's responsibility to make the correct decision easier for you.
It's not bullshit you dumb fuck. Just because you think you are special doesn't mean others are. Crowd behavior has been studied and examined by people for decades. I think I'll trust them over you. The world doesn't operate the way you think it does or should.
I'm not interested in what some backwards fucking legal argument might assert. I don't wait for the law to inform me on the subject of right and wrong or personal accountability. I know exactly how I would have behaved in that "mob," and I apply no higher standard to anyone else. They had a choice, individual choice is all that mattered, period.
Indeed. I've been watching the big electronics chains for a while now. They blare every day from Nov. 1st to Xmas how cheap they are, with a marketing effort that easily rivals the GDP of a medium sized African country. But online dealers beat them handily with every single product. Their only chance is to 'get' the older folk who still think the computer is their enemy and the 'net only for porn and 'funny' mass emails.
But if they make the incorrect decision easier for you, or possible in the first place, the legal system would generally accord some of the blame to them unless it's so remote and unforeseeable that it would be unfair to. When a company invites someone to participate in "doorbuster" sales, it probably can't act super-surprised when people literally bust doors. Especially when it's an annual ritual, and when there are reports of injuries at Wal-Marts and other stores each year, just usually not so severe as deaths.
Believe whatever you want, fucktard. I have no regard for the opinions of anyone who places blame for the actions of individuals on anyone but the individuals. No matter how many times hand-wringing pissants like you try to float the "Why didn't someone force us to make better choices?!?! " turd downstream, it's all just insubstantial, collectivist emotional rhetoric, and I'm having none of it.
Did someone already point out that this sort of thing never happens on White Friday? And for the record, clearly there are people--a whole lot of them even--who actually get off on sales like this. I had to run an errand last night, around 9:30, and noticed a line of people close to a quarter mile long outside Wal*Mart. If you put a gun to my head, I don't think you could get me in a store on Black Friday--Hell, even the rest of December gives me the heebie-jeebies. I don't like crowds. Or throngs.
Then that is a major failure of the legal system. "Can't act super-surprised" is one HUGE fucking leap from "liable when people kill each other."
I get it, and I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, if you pulled the trigger, you are the shooter. Doesn't matter if I gave you the gun, showed you how to use it, told you where to aim it, and harassed you constantly until you shot someone. All I care about is who chose to pull the trigger.
