Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

Nah, some could actually be prisoners.

Many of them are hostages though.

Are you tired of all that winning?

It is a lot of winning. But I could stand some more.

Question: Did Biden secure the release of 2x the amount of live hostages during his negotiated ceasefires?

Anyone able to look that up?

He got back 146 from what I understand.

American Journalist Says She Experienced ‘Extreme Brutality’ at Hands of Israeli Guards, Including Beatings and ‘Threats of Rape’

So are those free Palestine demonstrations that have a bit of a Hitler problem going to stop?

They’re really hurting the Democrat’s chances

Israel released around 2000 Palestinian prisoners to coincide with the release of 20 hostages. Seems like a pretty good deal for them

Many of these were terror convicts serving life sentences

Why would Palestine want people back who have been convicted of murder and terrorism?

Im still wondering where the "free gaza" members of congress disappeared to. They have been almost radio silent since this deal was announced. Not normal behavior for people who never met a microphone that they didnt like. You would think Tliab would be on full blast telling everyone how effective the banging of pots was.

because they were convicted by Israeli courts which aren't particularly unbiased in such matters??

I mean it’s possible that there are some but as an example one of the prisoners being released was found guilty of murdering his own sister because he thought she was an Israeli spy (she wasn’t). I don’t think that would fall under what we’re talking about

And yet Hamas wants him to participate in free society apparently

Maybe it’s just me but if I’m negotiating a prisoner transfer one of my tenets is “you can keep the murderers”

Welp i have seen some people who were fond of calling this skirmish a “genocide” are now calling the genocide a victory

Which is strange

Henrich Himmler might want applause for turning the crematorium off temporarily, but he isn't going to get it.

They also included an autistic boy, kidnaped while seeking aid from the GHF and a 71 year old woman lifted from her bed when the IDF attacked the hospital she was in.

The IDF murdered 7 people today and have announced that they'll continue blocking aid from 55,000 acutely malnourished children - the latter because Hamas can't locate the bodies of 24 dead hostages.

Palestinians put the Confederacy to shame with their delusional "we're actually winning" and "it's only halftime" mythology. I'm absolutely certain Hamas is already planning their next attack to build off the "victory" they've "won" here.

Ok. What about the murderers, why do they want the murderers back

Spaceturkey also partially covered that. But of course, I'm not interested in whitewashing Hamas. They "want murderers back" because they consider terrorism an acceptable tactic.

This would be like Bush taking credit for Bin Laden after he left office. "We had plans in place." No one except the most partisan left winger (like Keith Edwards) believes that bullshit. It was far more complicated than that.

How Trump secured a Gaza breakthrough which eluded Biden

Biden did not have the relationships that Trump did in the region nor did he have the mental ability or skill to make it work. If he did, it would have happened before this year. So like it or not, Trump owns this victory, not Biden.

Don't get me wrong, this could all fall apart tomorrow. Hamas has to leave the picture before any real peace happens. But the fact that the hostages are home and both sides are at a cease fire is thousands of times better than where the middle east was earlier this year.

the difference is that trump has no soul or character the mentality of a gorrilla only interested in himself will say ANYTHNG to anybody in any situation and it will all be lies so that he can get you cheerleading for him but it is all a front sham he has no substance is really an empty shell berift of any redeming quality whatsoever.... he has demonstrated this over and over it really is easy to see well not for you guys though

Remind me again how many countries recognized the state of Palestine in 2023 as compared to today.

Remind us why that matters and how it justified Oct 7?

Doc thinks that this is funny.



Probably because he doesn’t want to acknowledge that global opinion of Israel has followed that of the US in the years since 9/11. Don’t believe me? Check the polls.

It's less that it's funny (it's not, it's sad), and more that you're being ridiculous.

I've been informed that tens of thousands of Palestinians died over the last two years, and that most of Gaza is nothing but rubble. But nine or ten countries declared they'd symbolically "recognize" Palestine since 2023, raising the current total to 157, and that makes the whole thing a "victory?" How much more of that type of "winning" can the Palestinians take before they're entirely wiped out?

None of this is a victory for anyone, least of all fans of ethnic cleansing and attacks on hospitals like yourself. But it is a good and important thing that Israel is deligitimised internationally. It should continue.

Who said anything about a "victory"? Not me. My point was that opinion was shifting in regards to Israeli actions. I'll point out that your country has recognized Palestine, while mine has not.

But let's shift things for a second, not that I think you'll grasp my point, but I'm sure others will. Say, for the sake of argument, that the US decides to invade Canada in order to make it be the 51st state. As part of Canada's retaliation against the invasion, @Ancalagon's kids die when Canada bombs Seattle. You cool with that? Yes or no?

After all, the US invading Canada is an existential threat to Canada, and the US has nukes, while Canada doesn't. We can both agree that if the US invades Canada, Canada has every right to defend themselves, and if the US nukes Canada, that's pretty much the textbook definition of a war crime. So, we come back to if you're okay with Canada bombing the fuck out of Seattle, even though it'll kill a number of innocent civilians (like Anc's kids). Are you cool with bombing Seattle in retaliation for the US invading your country? Yes or no? If you're not, then I'm curious as to what makes you think that Israel is justified in flattening Gaza, when Hamas (and various other states/groups in the Middle East) don't have nuclear weapons, while Israel does.

Oh, and now that I think about it, anybody know how many LGBTQ+ Palestinians ran towards Israeli forces and asked to be saved? You know, like how Iraqis were said to do that during Gulf War 1.0 and 2.0?

lets go back in time shall we post WW2 your sitting in your house and all of a sudden ships show up off shore and start unloading hundreds no thousands no tens of thousands. now all of a sudden the place you lived ALL of your life has been invaded you can't turn around for all of these boat people squatting on what had been your home for years and years but now you have to leave why......'because we are taking it from you'. you ask why.......the answer 'because we can, now leave your home it is our home now' you ask where will my family go 'the answer we don't care just go away' you can start at OCT7 if you want it really is more conveinent for you that way. violence is the way of life there the only thing that changes is who starts it each time

Europeans and their offshoots saying this about middle-easterners is a little rich. There was a long period of peace there before the 20th century. Violence has specific historical causes and they are not reducible to the barbarism of the natives.

ahh i see you think this statement is exclusive to just this area of the world..... funny cause that is the subject of this thread you are really an amazing person you attached that implicatiion in the blink of an eye mighty philospher are you. did your teacher not instruct you to stick to the subject. the ENTIRE world is violent but thank you for your interest. i know when i am dealing with a morally superior being please forgive me don't hurt me can i still get just a modicum of blessing from your superiority???? please PLEASE!!!!!!