Mass Deportations Round One

https://x.com/timodc/status/1996416205654262246?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

https://archive.is/QGZjI

Anyone who supports ICE would have supported the Gestapo in Hitler's Germany. 100%.

And the ones who get offended when you say that?
I think they think the gestapo roll-out was like "Muahhahhaaa!! I'm Hitler, and here comes my gestapo!! Muuahhaaa!!!".
No, it never fucking looks like that. It's always "blah, blah, blah, security. Blah, blah, blah, undesirables. Blah, blah, blah, the peacemakers are putting you in danger!".

https://bsky.app/profile/cwebbonline.com/post/3m7innn5fz22z

The scenario where you have the overwhelming urge to wear handcuffs would be suitable.

Any scenario is pretty broad. "Well, suppose a cop goes crazy and is trying to kill you..." or "You're in a foreign country and a military coup occurs and the new leader has ordered the secret police to arrest and torture you..."

But any realistic, likely scenario? Any scenario where the alternative to resistance is the inconvenience of a fine or an appearance before a judge? No.

If the officer is acting in the performance of his duty (even if he's wrong about the law, the facts, etc ), he isn't going to take your refusal for an answer and will apply force to make you comply (and deadly force if your resistance constitutes a threat).

Even if it turns out the officer was mistaken about something, resisting arrest is itself still a crime. If someone falsely accuses you of theft and a cop comes to arrest you, you don't get to resist because you know you're innocent. You'll still be prosecuted for resisting arrest even if the theft charge goes away.

Even if you manage to avoid arrest, the cops aren't just going to give up. They're funny that way. They'll just send more cops to get you at some other place and time.

So, I would say it's ill-advised to resist arrest for several reasons: it's dangerous, it's illegal, and it's only delaying the inevitable. Lots of downside for little upside.

But, hey, you do you. If you know you weren't speeding, by all means, try to get the officer's gun when he's writing you the ticket.

https://bsky.app/profile/pewresearch.org/post/3m7kwzoes3s2k

MAGA will be very happy with this polling.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-politics-live-updates?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

https://www.military.com/daily-news...-army-veteran-stuck-ice-detention-center.html

https://bsky.app/profile/longtimehistory.bsky.social/post/3m7nsm34rds2o

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...ego-garcia-release_n_693ae5cce4b053d6e8efd1b0

Federal judge orders immediate release of Garcia from ICE custody, saying he is being held "without lawful authority".

https://x.com/acyn/status/1999153230551675105?s=46&t=iYW3foyqIA6Tn8VWwn3nwQ

Incompetent cruelty all the way up to the top.

They're all a bunch of MASH villains, but we don't seem to have enough Hawkeyes for them all.
Or Heaven forbid, a Potter.
The DNC has plenty of Winchesters and Radars though.
Don't get Chuck Schumer angry, he'll throw his teddy bear at you.

Yep. Every time I see or hear Chuck Schumer, I always think of Robin Williams' joke about British police, where he would shout "Stop! Or I'll say stop again!"
That's Chuck. He doesn't side with us because we're not his interest, we don't have the money or the influence. Chuck's beholden to the people who keep him wealthy and in power, and that means organizations that also seek to keep Republicans in power, too.

Not even the hint of understanding that not everyone has your white, privileged experience in life. You do you. You'll probably be okay, because you're white and probably not scary looking.

My advice works for everyone, and it's based on avoiding risk and letting the system work to sort out misunderstandings.

You want the people you consider especially vulnerable to not heed my advice, to actively resist law enforcement. Do you actually want them to get hurt or killed?

Amazing how you deliberately (yes, I said "deliberately") misrepresent what I say. Nowhere did I say I want them to actively resist law enforcement. Prove me wrong.

You ask me if there's any situation where resistance to law enforcement is appropriate.

I said no, not really, and gave reasons.

You then suggested my view was because of my "privilege."

Well, do you disagree with what I said or not?

If you don't, then there's no argument and appeals to privilege are irrelevant.

If you do, then you should explain how my position is wrong; i.e., why it would actually be a good idea to resist law enforcement.

Or are we at the "I'm right but I'm a bad person anyway" stage?

so what you are saying is trust the government. the HUTTA is strong in this one

Whenever someone says "so what you're saying is..." whatever follows will be not what they're saying.

I'm saying it's a bad idea to resist law enforcement. If there's a mistake, it can be worked out later.

Are you advocating resisting law enforcement? If you are, say so. If you're not, then you must agree with me that it's not a good idea.

I think that's the part people are finding fault with.

your problem is your white you rarely hear about white people getting in trouble with law enforcement especially during a traffic stop. i guess you never heard the term 'driving while black'. i have been stopped by the cops before had a right foot weight problem when i was younger. i was riding with a friend of mine where i live you can make a right on a red. we came up behind another car they turned right my buddy turned behind him after looking to see if the road was clear (it was). just after we completed the turn boom city cop behind us lights flashing. we pulled over cop walks up to the drivers side first words out of his mouth (license and registration???) no 'sir would you please step out of the car'. my friend did not say a word stepped out of the car and was immediatly patted down. of course the cop took his wallet and when he saw my friends work ID the cop hesitated then he waked back to his car and got on the radio. finally the cop came back and said i pulled you over because you did not come to a 'complete enough' (cops exact words) stop before you made that right turn. i have pondered ever since on what a 'complete enough stop' actually means if you stopped you stopped wheter it be a split second or 10 seconds. oh what the cop saw in my buddies wallet that he was a Federal corrections officer Captain at the FCI (this was before they turned it into an all female facility). i said to him when we pulled back out man that was rough he said it happens about every other month or so not all of them do i get patted down but so far i have been ordered to get out of my car every time. last thing but you know this answer already my friend was black . i being a white man have NEVER been asked to get out of my car during a traffic stop. oh and TLDR
edited to add I was not asked to exit the vehicle or provide ID

That is a load of horseshit. I am advocating asserting one's rights not to be arrested and detained illegally and (possibly) deported to a shithole jail in a shithole country without due process. I know it's really hard to grasp but there are times when the government's authority and individual rights are in tension. Funny how a self-proclaimed libertarian advocates meekly going along with rights being trampled on.

Once again, the libertarian advocates bowing to government authority.
What you are ignoring is that these goons are masked, not carrying identification and refusing to identify themselves in any meaningful way. This amounts to kidnapping. Are you saying we should not resist kidnappes. I'll say it very slowly... how.do.you.know.they.really.are.law.enforcement?

It's righteous and moral to resist ICE, but not the BATF, DEA, or IRS.