Nope. Nevermind. I have been wrong this entire time. Americans suck. We deserve all of this.

Are you really this fucking stupid?

Have you never lived in place with a public base that allows you pay extra to get more, or met anyone who lived in such a place, or read about such a place or you being your usual mendacious self and hoping we don’t know?

I do

I pay $5400 a year to have access to a private clinic mostly because of convenience

My old family doctor who i can still see anytime is in my old neighborhood on the other side of town, the private clinic is close to my house. I go there for prescriptions etc. Stull do my annual checkup with my old doctor

This also frees up space for my old doctor that other people can use which i don’t mind

I can still go to the hospital any time too for anything free of charge and the waits aren’t bad

I’m basically covered on all fronts. Your health is your only wealth

I remember that framing as well. While I wasn’t able to find the exact post specifying that, I did find one I think is a precursor to that one, where you agree that questions of efficiency are irrelevant for how you feel about single-payer health insurance. http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/3225463/

AFAIK, the private system here doesn't serve the medical part of hospitals and paying your GP. It'll get you a private room and longer in patient care, maybe.
My insurance at work covers drug, dental, and a few other things like medical repatriation. If I need an MRI, I can either get it at a hospital or go to a privately owned clinic that my public insurance covers. Oh, and it's part of my union benefits that my employer covers the premiums
For what it's worth, and because I live where I do, the twice I've needed to go in the last ten years it was a walk-in with about an hour wait.

heh-me and my dad had hernia surgeries within a couple years of each other.
he had pretty high end coverage that covered a ten day recovery at the Shouldice.
me, on OHIP after Harris got in, got an afternoon at Kingston General.

still, we got the same procedure.

Paladin: "I don't believe state-run systems are more efficient. And I want to have choice."

Summary: "Paladin says efficiency doesn't matter!"

You specifically said that for argument’s sake, you were accepting that government-run would be more efficient. And still “choice” mattered more.

The thing about @Pally is he doesn’t give a shit about anyone else’s health he only cares about his wealth.

He has stated this multiple times.

Your well-being is your responsibility, not mine.

Then perhaps you shouldn't have used the word "we" in the posts above.

your well being has indirect and possibly even direct affect on mine.
I don't mind paying a few bucks out of my taxes if it means people don't die of disease or infection.
keeps the cholera away...

Not directly, sure.

Indirectly, absolutely.

In a society where you can travel from New York to London in 7 hours, the idea of "it's my business" doesn't entirely wash. There has to be a level of personal responsibility and a level of social responsibility. If you reject one or the other, you put everyone in danger from your ignorance or negligence.

In a world of 7+ billion people interconnected as we are, this notion of being an ungovernable island is a foolish one.
Look at the US and the spread of diseases once eradicated, like Measles, all because some dumbass decided he didn't have to get a vaccine or watch his health.

So yeah, on a reasonable level, your health is everyone's business.

We all don't mind paying for the fire department because we know that if they put out the fire in our neighbour's house, it won't spread to ours.

Back in the day (and still nowadays in some areas!) there were substantial voices arguing against public fire departments and saying it was something best dealt with by the free market as well.

heh-old Toronto does a Florida mans...
Firefighters vs Clowns

You know, I sincerely gotta thank @Dinner for pushing me to check with the VA for my benefits because getting free healthcare that's relatively quick opened my eyes to how fucked up our system is and that yes, we do in fact pay astronomical prices for worse outcomes.

That and, yanno, Wendell Potter--the guy who was paid huge amounts of money by Big Pharma to spread lies and half truths about Canada's health care--speaking about against the lies he got paid to spread. That helped, too.

Not yet, anyway

But the fact that Luigi Mangione capping a health care CEO united this country in a way I've only even seen happen with Pokemon Go and bashing Velma speaks volumes.

Also LMAO at the VA being "abysmal" like Paladin said earlier because while I will admit San Diego gets more resources than other VA centers bc of the sheer number of vets they're serving, the one here in Reno hasn't been bad, either. The one issue I've had with them was my last doctor dismissing me getting a formal COVID test despite having 14 out of 10 symptoms because I had been vaccinated, and I needed that test for work purposes.

But you know what? My coworkers paying for Renown had similar experiences and they were paying out the ass for the privilege. But sincerely, the VA coverage has been the most life changing benefit I got out of the service since I'll never go back to school and home ownership is a pipe dream with the student loans that'll take me till 2032 to pay off if I'm extremely lucky. It's also the reason I'm not in prison because without the therapist I was seeing when I was working for Acura, I probably would've had a mental break and torched the place or put onions in the general manager 's food order.

The ones that are "bad" are in areas that make ALL health care access a struggle ie red states with a vested interest on showing "See? Socialized medicine doesn't actually work!"