Rolling Republican shutdown thread

Then just hand your money to your neighbor and have him hand it back 1000 times to grow the economy!

Investment creates wealth. You can circulate money all you want, but the wealth it represents doesn't increase.

Remember, the Democrats are relying on you to be ignorant of cloture when they make these claims.

At this point getting a dem to believe they have any responsibility in any of this would be a revelation. But Republicans should have used the nuclear option a long time ago and ended this farce. Both sides seem to care more about "winning the argument" than the harm they are doing to the people being used as pawns in this parlor game.

Apropos of nothing, this is literally how GDP measurements work.

that is what you will never understand they DID invest it in themselves and their whole commuinity. so instead of 1 person (maybe) benefitting MANY people do but you will never see that and we cannot do anything about your stupid right now. i am suprised you can even walk with all the guns you got and only 2 feet must be alot of scars on those feet.

Sounds like the Democrats are the all powerful alphas in this case. Makes the Republicans look rather impotent and incapable of governing.

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So, starvation as a political tactic, eh?

Add that to the list with school shootings and medical bankruptcies.

I expected you to make excuses for abuse, and I wasn't wrong in that expectation.

That explains why cutting off USAid has been so beneficial to US farmers, then.

Democrats held the key to preventing a shutdown. They chose not to exercise it trying to use it as leverage to extend ACA additional supplements enacted during covid.

Trump is laughing at us and ending USDA food benefits. The USDA is totally in Trump's court.

We fucked up.

No, they wouldn't have suspended congressionally mandated food benefits.

Unpaid furloughs, terminations, food. We're giving them the excuse to further dismantle social safety nets. We lost. Making things worse only makes things worse. People suffering don't have the luxury of waiting for four years.

No. Be smarter.

Know when you've lost. Cut your losses.

Did Republicans make gains resulting from shutdowns they triggered?

Here, I had Gemini summarize that for you:

Your inability to understand does not make it a loss. It just makes you incapable of being anything other than an accessory to an abusive system. As I said, you carry water for it.

You're using AI to think for you? Pathetic.

It's accurate and supported with cites. Did you read it? I think not.

What did Republicans gain by forcing shutdowns?

I don't read vomit from the hallucinating plagiarism machine.
Use your own brain for fuck sake. Make it work, don't just burn a bottle of water because you can't get it to form comprehensive and coherent thoughts.

Jesus, have some self-respect. Using AI because you're too goddamned stupid to understand. There's no excuse for that.

What did Republicans gain by forcing shutdowns?

The so-called "speed of money" is a measurement of the state of the economy, it's not the driver of it.

Er, okay. The point being that if I sell you my pen for $100 and you sell it back to me for the same amount, GDP increases by $200. This incentivises governments to have an economy with lots of useless transactions. Not particularly relevant to this discussion, but it is interesting.

You work from a false premise because you lack, well, everything at this point to understand what is going on.
Again, quit giving the abuser the space they need to continue their abuse.

Let me put it another way: if you were discussing fascism and, after people were posting for 20 pages about what fascism is doing to this country, they asked you "how is fascism bad?" it would be an exhausting question because it requires context, an understanding of history, and a willingness for the person asking the question to listen and process the answer. You are currently in a jockeying position with Paladin, FF, and others like them who seem to have absolutely no understanding of how anything works but being 100% certain that everyone around them is wrong because vibes.

They don't actually care about the answer, the enjoyment is in exhausting people. It's called sealioning. Paladin, UA, FF, all of these goobers, there will never really be an answer that satisfies them because the fun isn't in getting the answer, it's in stringing along the people trying to discuss something honestly. It's not about new information, it's about playing a game. It's why these guys have no core positions except what might give them a "win" in the moment. Everything is flexible because it's all in play, all a game, a "thought experiment" with no thought behind it aside from mild amusement.

I'm laying this out for a reason: either you truly haven't thought it through and are just operating on vibes, or you're trolling, or you actually think you're on to something. Regardless, you show a complete lack of understanding of what is going on, and it shows in your questions.

Your worst assumption is that you think there is something specific to gain for the Republican party by these shutdowns because you add a framework that isn't there in order to bolster your forced position. Essentially, you're making the question more palatable and reasonable for you without the context required to actually posit the question and receive a correct answer in that same vein. That is known as framing the narrative. You start from the position you already believe and try to get responses within that framework which will justify your position.

I know this firsthand because Christian fundamentalists do it all of the time, positing from the position, for example, that God exists and then moving forward with their questioning that God must exist and any answer outside of that framework is unacceptable. As the person answering, it then becomes incumbent upon me to reframe the narrative, to remove the supposition that God is actively involved, and then rework the answer to step outside of that box.

The problem is that Evangelicals are unreceptive to any answer outside of the framework they've created. That I might respond with the notion God doesn't exist won't compute, and they will attempt to re-establish the question inside of the framework.

This is what you keep doing. You keep pushing the narrative back to the responsibility of the people being abused and oppressed rather than laying the responsibility at the feet of the abuser and the oppressor. When I tried to explain this to you, you became irritated in your confusion and then restated the question narratively framed in favor of the abuser.

You continue to do this despite being corrected repeatedly.

Then you used an AI large language model to think for you and posited that as an authoritative source.

So I have to accept, at this point, that you're either stupid, purposely ignorant for your own benefit, or trolling.

This is also why I don't debate, because there will be people who say "she can't answer the question," while others will understand that the basic question itself is inherently flawed, but it won't matter. The people who side with the abuser will continue to excuse them and blame the abused, and the people who have lived experience and know better will have to accept that some people are just too fucking stupid to breathe without instructions.

What do the people who are actively trying to dismantle the government gain by shutting down the government? You really have to ask this?

I believe because there is no new production, GDP has not actually increased. You and ypur friend are exchanging one already-produced good with a fixed value.

Economists often use "production = consumption" as an approximation. Back and forth exchanges don't alter what's actually been produced. I suppose if the pen passed to, say, Brad Pitt for a while, its value might increase because of its uniqueness. That would be a gain in GDP, I suppose.

If GDP were calculated as you suggest, the number could be increased by repeating the process. If two exchanges equals $200, then one billion exchanges equals $200 billion of GDP growth. Indeed, we wouldn't even have to actually do the exchange, just say we did!

Everyone who's cut off from a government benefit suffers that loss. I don't argue that they don't. I only argue that some government benefits aren't worth the cost.

Also, stop doing the crickets thing; it's childish. I'll respond when I can respond.

I, personally, will never read AI slop powered by my stolen work.
But even putting that aside, using AI to do your thinking for you opens up up to, at the very least, confirmation bias.
Your error here is treating this like other shutdowns, where what it actually is, is a last-ditch effort of defiance against an authoritarian government intent on dismantling on social services.

And I'd be curious where you draw that line. Or why you don't see an economic benefit in a population being able to feed themselves.

You have a bad habit of dipping out when you run out of prevarifications.

Hurt my back so needed to grab some heat therapy patches from Walgreen’s to get me through the day.

There was an elderly Asian couple and an elderly Black man in front of me and both were trying to max out their SNAP cards on Ensure.