Star Trek: Lower Decks

You're literally the first person I've seen complain about it.

Follow the fucking conversation. I didn't bring up the idea of characters slowly morphing into their correct TOS versions.

No. You just bitched about something minor and inconsequential as the reason why you hate it.

An unprecedented behavior on the subject of Star Trek.

I don't hate SNW. The waste of potential just disappoints me.

STD, on the other hand, can die in a dumpster fire.

I was looking for something else, but look what I stumbled into...

I remember that. Don't even need to watch. Duck left, duck right, do a somersault.

This is what you get when you hire someone for being skinny with big tits, rather than any hand-to-hand training, and then give them a week or two to prepare for this half-assed training montage.

Point is, the seeds were planted.
There were probably some guffaws, but no shrieking; because the shriekers weren't organized.
It's a grift, UA.
You've modeled your personality on a grift.
Be sad inside.

So I have to be arguing that ENT was perfect and pure in order to criticize SNW, or else I have been corrupted by a psyop?

No.

You've been corrupted regardless of the quality of ENT.
Your hypocrisy just lays it bare like a UV lamp to cum.

And this reaction is why Jolene Blalock often wants nothing to do with Star Trek OR it's fans.

OR, I just haven't been corrupted with the same stupid priorities as you. I would have responded to STD in 2005 the same way I do today. I didn't change.

Nope.

Post 1985.

Which also supports Spock's "dance moves"

shitty choreography aside, as I recall she came to the series with a background in Muay Thai.

You know better to ask @Diacanu to provide evidence for his made up BS. It’s never going to happen.

I'm also minded that, when the Big Finish Dr. Who audios wanted an "older" companion who couldn't keep up physically, they came up with Evelyn Smythe who is... 55 years old. OK, she had heart issues but FFS Patrick Stewart was getting action scenes as Picard in First Contact and he was 54 when TNG ended...

I've just turned 50.

What does intrigue me is Rebecca and Sassy in Ted Lasso. They're meant to have been schoolkids together, but Hannah Waddingham is my age and Ellie Taylor is 41... and this is not addressed.

Minor criticism of NuTrek = hatred, bigotry, racism and potential Nazism.

Yeah, when you've literally had a swastika avatar you can fuck off asking for benefit of the doubt.

SNW type series or a series of S31-type streaming movies, but yeah seems to me there are three potentially fertile periods. Between TMP and TWOK, between 5 and 6 (this would be more suited for movies really) and "Captain Sulu" (though I don't know how that would go over since it wouldn't be Takai)

You could also, I suppose, do "event stories" elsewhere - like a movie that had to do with the days around Kirk's last mission before giving up the command for promotion (pre-TMP) if you can write a good drama around that) or some such that happen somewhere else in the continuity.

I suppose someone could feel bold enough to do the Romulan War...might be something Ronald D. Moore would want to do? Or the Ds9 guys?

Why would Vulcans have only one fighting style? That would seem...illogical.

Let's also keep in mind that despite being able to use the classic nerve pinch with 100 percent efficiency and being multiple times stronger than a human, Spock doesn't make that his go-to manueuver to sedate people as equickly and quietly as possible. One day I'll do a rewatch of TOS and note all the problems that would be solved or fights that would have been shortened if Spock pinched first instead of doing other stuff.

I'd say there's a certain level of inconsistency in how Spock was written just within TOS alone, let alone comparing him in TOS/the movies/elsewhere. Is he a cold-hearted, stick-in-the-mud robot who despises humans and "human" emotions? Or is he someone who's down with space hippies and grooves with the youth of his era? Is he a brilliant thinking machine who can calculate odds and see every angle, or is he someone who can be outsmarted by Kirk in chess on the regular? Is he a slave to regulations to the point where he would not let his father get the transfusion he needs to live if it would in his mind put the ship in additional danger, or is he the sort of person who would commit multiple crimes including one that would subject him to the death penalty to give his former captain a happy ending?

As others have pointed out, at least some of the specific "problems" you are trying to raise about Spock's character as shown in Discovery/Strange New Worlds is consistent with TOS.

Spock didn't tell anybody on screen about having a human adopted sister. Spock explicitly did not tell anybody on TOS that he was the son of a famous ambassador and literally only let his best friend Jim Kirk know when they were ferrying Sarek in Journey to Babel. He also didn't mention Sybok at all to anyone until Star Trek V. So it's perfectly consistent that Spock doesn't go around talking about his family members.

Spock apparently used a flippy martial arts style in nuTrek that seems too showy and non-efficient for your liking (I am spacing on the context). Well, Spock has used a variety of tactics and has not always been about the maximum efficiency. Heck, there was a time when he used the nerve pinch but for whatever reason lied about his victim having a spider crawling on him instead of just knocking him out.

Nevermind his sudden magic third eyelid, and "oh yeah, I can mindmeld around corners now".

So it looks like she might have more combat training than Uncle Armchair.

Between me and Blalock, that would make him 0-2 in snap judgments on a person's combat knowledge.

I'm shocked.

There's plenty of criticisms of NuTrek, both major and minor, that people have spirited debate about. You can click on pretty much any NuTrek thread and see people pointing out the many many flaws of episodes and series without being thought of or criticized as hateful, racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

But when a lot of criticism about NuTrek is only applied to it incessantly that is a) on its face invalid or betrays an ignorance of what happened in the episode/series previously b) obviously applies equally well to OldTrek but is never applied to OldTrek c) is full of dog whistles d) based on ignorance about Trek in general e) repetitive, baseless, ad hominem attacks on the producers rather than the actual material f) repetitive, baseless appeals to popularity rather than problems with the material g) parrots some YouTuber who is either semi-racist/homophobic/sexist or grifting depending on viewers who feel aggrieved all that wokety-woke-woke material out there (and for some reason ignore that TOS should be TWOS for The Woke Original Series or h) some combo of all of the above, it shouldn't come as a surprise when people take such critics to task.

Nothing less than "I hereby quit Star Trek forever in favor of Daily Wire movies" is gonna make FF stop feeling persecuted.

https://www.comicsbeat.com/2025-hugo-awards/

The last time a Trek tv show won was TNG for “All Good Things.”

Wild how this show went from being so hated that the first clip of the pilot is still delisted to this day to winning the same awards TNG did decades ago

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