And she also gave you that odd late night booty call wanting to meet for drinks, and acted weird as hell the first the she personally met you.
To the extent that he has a point, it would seem to be that Kirk and Spock should have (given Spock's relatively recent experience with a relative of Khan) have had that at the forefront of his mind when encountering Khan in Space Seed. Of course, it can't really get around the inherent issues with the episode that they go from having no idea who Khan might be to being basic experts about him once he semi-owns up to who he is. Consider the rough analogy of a modern naval vessel coming across someone in pirate's clothes who identifies himself as "Blackbeard" and them not immediately being like "Like the pirate" and then when Blackbeard says "Shiver me timbers, I was the scourge of the Seven Seas!" being able to talk about all sorts of trivia of who Blackbeard was off the cuff.
Historically, it's highly doubtful pirates used the phrase "Shiver me timbers", the phrase first appeared in a play "The Critic" in 1795 by Richard Brinsley Sheridan, and then in "Treasure Island" written in 1883.
I will die on this hill: THAT'S NOT THE SAME M'BENGA! Babs is WILDLY too old to be the same guy we saw in TOS. I hypothesize THAT guy is this M'Benga's nephew or some such.[/quote]
I really don't think the 10-episode seasons are doing it for me... especially if they insist on cramming 1 of these whimsical episodes in every season. In the 24-26 episode seasons, they were way more tolerable if not downright enjoyable. They often provided some strong characterization moments for featured characters that paid off in subsequent episodes. I don't expect any pay off in these short seasons. This is my least favored episode this season... possibly of the entire series. The best part of this was the end where we saw the sparks between Spock & La'an and the blooper credits.
This episode belongs in the didn't happen pile - honestly, what the hell were they thinking??? Still we get dead Ortegas, even if it was a Holographic character, that elevated it a little.
So they had identical holodecks 80+ years before we first saw them, and it took that long to work out enough energy and processor power? Fuck off. Just fuck the hell OFF. Every time I start thinking this show has potential, it shoots itself in the dick like this. It still wasn't as bad ass the goddamned singing episode, but jesus fucking crom.
That really didn't bother me much. We never saw them in TOS and the TOS movie era, but by the time TNG came around, they were in the very first episode already established. Spending another decade or two in the drawing room is a little far-fetched but I'll accept it. What bothered me more was the fact that I totally knew that it would have to end this way when they first mention a "holo-deck"
Enterprise established that the Federation had the basic tech for holodecks back then. And I don't remember TAS all that well, but didn't that have a holodeck-style thing on the big E? Honestly, given how many times the holodecks messed up in the TNG era, it probably would have been a smarter thing for them to be mothballed permanently.
Eh, even before futuristic technology, black don't crack. The show mocked Shatner's ego and line delivery and various things about Star Trek. It however was an unadulterated love letter to Star Trek for largely what it was: a visionary way to send social messages and to give people of all backgrounds a chance to see themselves and find role models. It was very meta. I loved it. I'll leave it at that for now.
Considering the show dedicated a whole soliloquey to how important TOS was for the people who watched it, I'm surprised you feel that way. Of course, it was delivered by a Black woman, so you probably fastforwarded it.
Part of the meta is how it is a murder mystery about who killed TPTB behind the Star Trek-standin, effectively killing Star Trek. The culprit: someone who suppresses his emotions. Someone who has no actual connection to the Star Trek-standin. Someone who wasn't there at the beginning of the Star Trek-standin, who hasn't watched any of the Star Trek standin. Someone who has an ulterior motive that is completely disconnected from his behavior. The whole mystery is meta for fans like certain people here who want TPTB behind actual Star Trek removed.
fortunately the fans loved it. hate watchers however, think it's yet another death knell for an IP that just got it's next several years confirmed. which kinda confirms Raoul's point. Why have you sat through the last decade of shows you don't like, anyway?
I didn’t say I hated it and I’m a fan so not all fans liked it. I found it cringy as fuck and lore breaking once again. It also came across like they have no respect for TOS and specifically Shatner. I was more interested in the neutron star. I’m not a hate watcher and you shouldn’t label someone that and not consider them a fan if they criticize an episode or don’t like something. I’m allowed to not like things..They made it clear that they understood the point of Star Trek, yet shit on its legacy and refuse to write the type of story that they described. I’m pretty sure Trekyards thought it was a meh episode which is what I said. So no, not all fans loved it.
but you ain't a fan any more than a stalker is "in love". I'm not sure where you think it's "lore breaking"? the Re creation Deck was established in TAS. For contrast to why we never saw it in TOS, how many of us have exercise equipment collecting dust in a closet? Not sure I can decipher what you mean in that "test shot on its legacy", but it sure sounds dramatic... perhaps a tad obsessive. Who the fuck are "trekyards" and why are you only "pretty sure" what their take was? Did you not watch to the end of the video? Also, who cares if they approach it with the same pedantic compulsion to find flaws? (free advice: nobody cares if a reviewer backs up the argument you're half cribbing from them in the first place)
Yep, they could’ve atleast made it a less advanced version, but Laans fist comment is the same as Picards “I can smell it” (paraphrasing) they gave a decent explanation as it to why it’s not on Starships but surely other places could still use it, but all the TNG crew act like it’s all brand spanking new, they really dropped the ball here. Things like this DO matter.
You don’t get to determine who is and isn’t a fan. This is the type of attitude Kurtzman has, “if you don’t like the shit I’m I’m shoveling down your throat then you are not a true Star Trek fan.” The lore breaking is that it’s the exact same holodec we se in TNG and I’m well aware of the rec room from TAS which was very primitive compared to this. Not only that but Scotty acts as if he had never seen a hollodeck in TNG. Just because you like the shit their shoveling down our throats doesn’t mean me or anyone else has to like it.
Did he though? To my mind, he was astonished to see the the 1701, cuz he hadn't seen it in ages, and there was no need to simulate it ON the 1701. I always just took it as overwhelming nostalgia rather than tech-awe. Like if I found my old Space Invaders bike from when I was 7-10, I'd bawl like a baby.
Yet Kurtzman and co have given us some of the best Trek since S5 of DS9, if not frequently better. It isn't something you dislike being shoved own your throat if you choose to watch it, knowing it'll piss you off. You don't get to claim to represent a vox populi here, as clearly much- if not most- of the fan base is enjoying the last 8 years worth of content we've been given. You're not a fan, you're a stalker.
Finally saw all of it. Everyone who hates this episode is absolute human garbage. The end. No debate. Lets move on.
Yeah this season is firing on all thrusters. Even the "weak" episodes of SNW beat the crap out of 90% of the Trek we've gotten over the last few years. (And I happened to really like Lower Decks and Prodigy, as well.)
