Trump bans Transgendered in military.

"Straightened."

Strangely, sadly, I actually agree with Dayton here. It's not the role of the government to help people feel comfortable with circumstances of their lives. It's the role of the government to protect them from discrimination that might result from those circumstances. By extension, it's not the government's responsibility to pay for elective medical procedures. AFAIK, it's not been demonstrated that GRS is medically required, as that would sort of imply that being trans "in your head" but not "in your body" is a life-threatening thing. I can see how that might ultimately be demonstrated, as the inner conflict could cause life-threatening psychological issues, but right now I don't think the data is there to support it.

And it ain't just GRS that I'm talking about here. A woman who joins the military so that she can get a "free" breast augmentation would fall under the same idea. Or a guy who does so to get pec implants or something. Elective stuff should come out of your own pocket.

What specific aspect of it do you wish to discuss? I am aware of how it used to be classified as a mental disorder but more recently has been unclassified (some say correctly, others say incorrectly).

See my post a ways back, then they ought to get out of handing out free Viagra.
Can't have a double standard.

Shep/Nova likes to claim it is medically necissary due to the risk of people self harming. I.E. I am upset that I have a penis when I do not want one so I will kill myself.

What Shep/Nova is unable to convincingly answer is why the suicide rate for post op trannies remains sky fucking high. The one time he tried to answer this question his response was to blame everyone else for not accepting trannies as being the same as the real article. Maybe so or then again maybe (and this is the more likely and more truthful answer) they really were always just fucked in the head and they remain fucked in the head no matter if they cut their penis off or not. In short, despite the political decisions to claim it is not a mental illness it probably really is thus why suicide rates remain so high even after expensive cosmetic surgery.

You are building the right argument here, but you are misinformed on this point. When I realised how clear medical opinion was on this question, I changed my stance. I am not necessarily talking about preventing suicide; it is very difficult to prove what all of the factors are in any such tragedy. But the results on general physical well-being are now quite well documented. And frankly, a procedure doesn't have to be life or death to warrant treatment paid by insurance or, for soldiers and veterans, the government. We don't check whether the patient will absolutely doubtlessly die before we pull bad teeth, remove tumors, and yes, medicate erectile dysfunction.

So your argument is we need to spend big to help them have elective surgery because they will harm themselves or commit suicide if we don't but the fact that their suicide rates post op remain extremely elevated (although a bit lower) shouldn't matter?

That does not sound like a sound argument to me. Obviously the elective surgery is not dealing with the root causes of their suicidal behaviors (I.E. the true underlaying mental illness which they undoubtedly have thus the suicide rates). THAT should be the primary goal imho.

What I think is interesting is that you weren't abandoned to the waters as a baby.

Yeah, see, exactly what I was missing. I've not paid much attention to this particular area as it falls under my "if it makes you happy, fine, but don't bother me with it" zone. So if there's data supporting the need, then it's all good.
But I'd still opine that it would be wrong to join the military just to get "free" treatment or GRS.

Thing is, I don't see why this should be up to you or me or what data the two of us have. If a person's healthcare is provided, shouldn't a doctor's judgement suffice to make sure a procedure is warranted?

That's not true. It's still in the DSM-5. It was formerly called Gender Identity Disorder but was reclassified as Gender Dysphoria.

Who says I wasn't?

With liberals, it's always the fault of society in general, never the individual.

This is false. The two are not the same at all, and do not describe the same group of patients.

No. The bullshit you post is all your fault.

Here lies the problem. We give medical care to service people. Srs and trans therapies are medically recognized to n.a. along the lines of things like ptsd which we treat without question. This has been established by medical professionals and not some schmuck who votes. Should we leave treatment of our service people up to the whims of the voters? What if those voters are anti vaxers or feel prayer is a valid treatment over medicine? We charge those people taxes to treat our military and it is tough titty if it violates your moral opinions.

We do not give our service people the requirements to survive. We try to give them more to get their desires. Who are we to chose what treatments or benefits they get for their service since we cannot impose all of our moral restrictions on them. For instance I may not believe in comfort animals, but ptsd service people get them paid for with our tax money. What if I think these tough warriors should suck it up and if they cannot go outside without their doggy they should not go outside? People would tell me they served and the dog is therapeutic for them even though it has no life saving properties and I should suck it up.

Well suck it up trumptard. They served and they deserve happiness for their sacrifice to this nation. If you don't want it happening take your half footed was and go stand a post so they are not needed. Oh wait, on second thought you are one of the stupid who creates more work for everyone. You are doing your part by staying out of the way.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria#1

I suppose I should have excluded sewage as an option.

With trumptarded conservative republicans it is always the other guy and they never take any personal responsibility for problems their people create. For example trump blames Hillary for his son trying to buy Russian support.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-to-trump-on-transgender-ban-not-so-fast.html

And the very next two sentences in the source make my point. Thanks for posting the link.

Not going to admit you were wrong, are you? Not surprised. Typical leftwinger.

Spoken like a true shitsucker.

I've never sucked shit, and I'm sorry you feel personally excluded but I can't make exceptions.

http://www.newser.com/story/246371/top-officer-no-changes-to-military-transgender-policy-yet.html

No one "deserves happiness" Tererun.

Now given you apparently are incapable of responding without attacking a long time member heres old serious medical problem....that says much about you I think we can all agree.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/07/26/politics/congress-transgender-policy/index.html

*Pushes Dayton down a flight of stairs*

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

You know where he lives.

Given the very real history of people "shopping" for doctors until they find the one who'll write the prescription for whatever drug they want, no it isn't. Hell, even when it's legit it doesn't work that way. My dentist said the only way to save the tooth that broke last week was to put a crown on it. Medically necessary, right? Nope, insurance says it's cosmetic.

Insurance is not concerned about saving the tooth because you can blend or gum your food. That is why they cover extractions and not a root canal and crown. Insurance is not always about the proper solution. My mother broke her ankle way back and they refused to cover the cast. Insurance is not doctors concerned with the patient