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Nothing uncivlized about doing that at all.

Refusing to obey police diktats is now "provocation".

How is that shit any better behavior than the people they are protesting?

I think we know where the money to pay of the credit card is going to come from.

There have been a lot of tales of financial corruption coming from OWS. The irony is both thick and ugly.

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Ahhh what is that sweet sweet smell? Desperation and self deception all in one post. Delightful.

where?

all it shows is that Occupy isn't populated by a bunch of dropouts, but also by those who own businesses.

Although, there is a faint attempt to imply that he sucked back a $375 bottle of scotch and an $18 sammich. No actual proof, mind you...

Or at least those who know how take advantage of a sweet deal when they find it.

Keep it coming buddy.

Not at all.

Your cynicism is delightful.

Quite.

Given that he lives nearby, sounds like a reasonable motivation... where's the "sweet deal" if it's the only available option-and at that price?

What am I supposed to keep coming? You're the one relying on the unsubstantiated inference to make an empty point.

My only regret is that I didn't get to stand down at the Alabama state line and bid him a fond farewell.

I've read a couple accounts from photographers doing night live shots at Occupy locations who were confronted by the protesters who objected to their lights.

Guess what, fucknuts? You're on public property and so is the media. They have the same right to be there that you do. Don't like it? Go the fuck home.

They even unplugged lights that belonged to one Dallas crew.

I hope Mr. Flannel Shirt gets hit by a bus.

Your author is morally bankrupt. Is that cop "viciously" spraying "peaceful" "victims"? It looks more like he is "nonchalantly" spraying them. And it looks like they are illegally obstructing a sidewalk.

And it isn't the cops' job to "protect them". The cops protect everyone. More accurately, it is their job to maintain order.

The protestors are completely blocking a sidewalk, creating a hazard for pedestrians just to be cunts. And they're doing it in such a way that they've put the police in a no-win situation. The cop can just ignore that they are blocking the sidewalk. That should be fun to explain if some little old lady gets hit by a car because she can't walk on the sidewalk. They can try to physically overpower individual protestors and arrest them--challenging if they are linking arms. And it puts the cops in a dangerous position--close enough that someone could grab their gun, handcuffs, or pepper spray.

So the cop attempts to resolve the situation with the least amount of force and the least harm to anyone. And lets face it--getting pepper sprayed doesn't harm anyone. It makes your day pretty fucking unpleasant for the next few minutes, but hey, if you really don't want to get pepper sprayed, you could stop blocking the goddamned sidewalk.

And the reason the TEA Party protestors didn't get pepper sprayed is that they got permits for their demonstrations, payed any required fees, obeyed the authorities, and then went home at the end of the day. Occupy has been flaunting the law in every possible way for months now. Very little that they do isn't illegal in some way. They should be grateful the response has been so muted. Bitch about Kent State? Be glad I'm not a governor somewhere. I'd mobilize the National Guard with order that I want another Kent State. Shoot a couple "Occupiers" and that'll put an end to this "Movement" PDQ.

Are you honestly going to try and argue that pepper spraying people for protesting on a sidewalk is defensible? It's not like it's a road, it's not like there's some massive threat to public safety, it's a fucking sidewalk. If they're in your way, go the fuck around them. Take your shit about hazard and shove it up your same ass you fuck nightly with a police baton while screaming "Oh give it to me Police State."

There's no way you're not trolling. You are so full of shit if you can argue that pepper spray doesn't harm anyone but taking up a sidewalk does. But on the offchance you are serious, pepper spray can be severely harmful to individuals with asthma or heart conditions.

Why should you need a permit or pay fees to protest? Why is it against the law to protest in certain ways? I see nothing in the first amendment that requires permits, or fees, or designating zones for free speech and assembly. On the contrary, Congress is not permitted by the first amendment to make laws abridging free speech or assembly, and that applies equally to state and local governments.

As for the rest of your shit, well, you're a terrible human being if you think the answer to peaceful protests, albeit inconvenient to some people, is death without trial or sentencing.

The video clearly shows this is a path through the main quad at Davis, not a sidewalk next to a road. You're trolling.

Well now we know that Volpone along DSK8975/Visionrazor/Raoul Duke Jr/The Saint/IamLegion/John Castle/whatever handle the neonazi is posting under don't even bother to read the stories they quote before the start trolling.

As the article says they were in circle around their cluster of tents. In other words they were 'blocking a sidewalk' IN A LAWN. Go look at the pictures in the link provided:

http://www.theaggie.org/2011/11/18/protesters-face-off-with-uc-davis-campus-police/

http://thesecondalarm.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/ucdavis-chancellor-video/

Classy, Davis, classy.

WAHAHAHAHAAHAAH! Look at the little bitches bawl like they just got pepper sprayed. You know what? If you think you're going to have health problems that would react adversely to pepper spray, you should probably stand up and excuse yourself then when the cop gets out the pepper spray. If you don't you have no one to blame but yourself.

This was actually on the local news tonight. The university chancellor ordered the police action. So yeah. These fucks have pretty much worn out their welcome. You want to inconvenience everyone else to raise awareness of...whatever it is you're trying to raise awareness of, I hope you like the taste of pepper spray.

Yeah. They should'a just got out their sidearm and capped one of the "protestors" a la that Vietnamese general that shot that traitor in the famous photo from the war. I bet that would've cleared the sidewalk PDQ.

Oh, and total adverse effect from this? Two of the "protestors" were treated at the local hospital and released. Completely harmless.

That's just a few. Turns out lots of people are having fun manipulating the photos of UC Davis Police Lieutenant John Pike callously hosing down non violent protesters.

The reason there was trouble wasn't because of the fact that the UC Davis folks were protesting...it was the fact that they decided to pitch tents and attempt to stay the night. The college has a no camping policy.

The protesters were left alone all day and when 3 PM came around the police asked them to please pack up their tents and go home....they refused and plopped down into a circle around their camp.

The went from protesting, certainly their right, to trespassing on private property.

Now, I feel the cops went way too far and pepper spraying was not needed here. But these are also not innocent protesters...they were willfully violating University policy.

http://daviswiki.org/November_18,_2011_UC_Davis_Police_Response_to_Occupy_UC_Davis

You. Are.Trash.

http://www.ucdavis.edu

Tell you what, doughboy: When you get home, set up a tent in the corridor at the local statehouse. When security comes to tell you to go home, explain to them that it is public property and you have the right to spend the night there.

It would be a parallel if your hypothetical rape victim dressed like a cheap hooker and prowled back alleys yelling "Wow, I sure am horny!" Otherwise it's apples and oranges. Or are you going to claim that civil disobedience is a crime on the same level as rape now?

There, I emphasized the pertinent bit for you.

I didn't dodge. I ignored your mischaracterization.

Law can be a baseline for determining the merit or lack thereof in an action, but the law can and does contradict itself. Just because something is against the law doesn't mean it's wrong, nor is something right because the law says so. We all know this, so it somewhat boggles my mind that people merely point to the law as justification for the actions of the police. I know you in particular aren't in favor of the police's actions, but you also say the protesters aren't innocent.

I disagree with that, and I disagree with the idea that just because there's a law on the books dictating how and when and where people are allowed to protest that said law is valid. You could say those students were taking a chance by breaking one of these laws, and you may be right on that, but given the structure of our legal system it is almost impossible to have any meaningful form of protest without breaking a law. This isn't on accident, many of these laws were thrown up after the Vietnam War because municipal government didn't want to deal with protesters. And because judicial review by the Supreme Court requires an already existing case, someone's Constitutional rights must be impaired before the court can even weigh in, if they even decide to.

So no, I don't buy into the idea that these protesters deserve what they got, or anything of the sort. You, Lanzman, and I all know this from being administrators, all it takes is one person on staff responding poorly to whip people in a frenzy. That's why in most other countries they have special police trained to handle riots and civil protests, because all it takes is one person doing the wrong thing to make the situation explode, and when you have people who are untrained for that specific task the odds of it occurring increase dramatically. So if there's fault with the protesters, then there's just as much at fault with those police departments, they're assigning people to tasks they aren't trained to do and pinning the blame for their poor responses on the protesters. I'll leave you with a quote from a retired French Riot Police Captain.

If you're protesting and you're not causing physical harm to anyone, you absolutely have that right to. Local laws may forbid it, but they're probably unconstitutional.

While US Davis may be a state university, it's not exactly "public property". Certainly not in the same way that a street or sidewalk in the public right-of-way is.

And I say that as someone who has to deal with public/private property issues nearly every day.


Regardless, that cop is still a dick.

Officer's been put on suspension.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...-put-on-leave-chancellor-to-speak?sc=fb&cc=fp

Zere muzt be order!! It is our destiny to follow ze orders!!

That officer was really in a hard place. On the one hand, he had a job to clear that area. So, what are his options? Disobey orders, I suppose. Or he could physically remove them, or he could tase them, pepper spray them, etc.

If he had disobeyed his orders, would they have just fired him? Probably.

Dollars to donuts (cause they're cops, get it?) if I hand-picked and organized a group of protestors I could make the police break ranks in a variety of ways, without sophisticated "weaponry".

Alas, that's not my job, so let the protestors figure it out themselves.

But it is true that you the cop (or miltary for that matter) are expected to get hurt and reap the brunt of the violence before a citizen (no matter how dangerous) is injured. That's why you get paid the big bucks.

Fatty pigs love to dispense pepper spray!