[Muad Dib]

Originally Posted by Clyde

I know, reading is hard. Just take your time, sound out each word in your mind and then link them all together. Punctuation seems tricky at first but it's really not that tough.

Baba are you reading this?

[Tamar Garish]

Originally Posted by Clyde

A life taken by imprisonment or by execution is still a life taken.

And who is to say life in prison is better than dying?

You have zero chance of fighting the decision or benefiting from new evidence if you are dead, not true of imprisonment.

Originally Posted by Forbin

What if, say, 20% those thousand released criminals each murder an innocent person?

Who said anything about releasing them?

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Tamar Garish

You have zero chance of fighting the decision or benefiting from new evidence if you are dead, not true of imprisonment.

Care to answer the question I asked?

[Forbin]

Originally Posted by Tamar Garish

You have zero chance of fighting the decision or benefiting from new evidence if you are dead, not true of imprisonment.

Who said anything about releasing them?

The quote I often hear, which was not used here, is "better a thousand guilty men go free..." That's what my brain was working with, 'cause that's how I usually hear it.

And even if those 1,000 remain in prison, we all know (again), that not all of them will stay there for life. The last time I heard a statistic, the average actual time served for murder is only seven years. Murderers are apparently being set free all the time, some just to make room in the overcrowded prison system. And many of them are committing more murders once they get out.

[Tamar Garish]

Originally Posted by Clyde

Care to answer the question I asked?

Why? It's irrelevant and also unanswerable as that would be an individual reaction that would be different with each person.

Some people because of their personalities would rather die than live in a cage...others would have the will to live through anything.

Perhaps all murderers should be given a choice...life imprisionment or execution and then maybe we could answer your question with any kind of objective evidence.

[Forbin]

And what about immortals? crap, the gov't will go broke keeping THEM in prison for life!

[Captain X]

Originally Posted by Clyde

Wrongful imprisonment is right up there with murder without malice.

I misread the question, yay dyslexia. So let's see, I equate the death penalty with premeditated murder (since really that's what it is), and you equate imprisonment with the death penalty. Do I have it about right? Because that's fucked up. But then people who would rather let wrongly convicted persons die just to make sure they can keep having their state-sanctioned revenge are pretty fucked up and tend to make comparisons like that, as if wrongly executing someone is somehow better than wrongly imprisoning them.

[cpurick]

It's catchy, but the proper comparison is how many innocent lives are saved for each one lost. I don't know how many have been saved so far, but "innocents lost" is almost up to 1.

And I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure the death penalty has prevented me from killing at least one or two people who clearly deserved it.

[Captain X]

It's just you.

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Tamar Garish

Why?

Else your response is a non sequitur.

Originally Posted by Tamar Garish

It's irrelevant...

On the contrary, some have argued it's better an innocent person spend their life in prison than for an innocent person to put to death.

Originally Posted by Tamar Garish

and also unanswerable as that would be an individual reaction that would be different with each person.

Some people because of their personalities would rather die than live in a cage...others would have the will to live through anything.

EXACTLY!

It does depend upon the individual, so the notion that's it's better to be imprisoned for life than put to death is far from universal yet some in this very thread have insisted otherwise.

Originally Posted by Tamar Garish

Perhaps all murderers should be given a choice...life imprisionment or execution and then maybe we could answer your question with any kind of objective evidence.

While I sense more than a tad of sarcasm, it is an interesting idea.

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Captain X

Originally Posted by Captain X

I misread the question ...

So you fucked up, big deal, everybody does.

Originally Posted by Captain X

So let's see, I equate the death penalty with premeditated murder (since really that's what it is), and you equate imprisonment with the death penalty. Do I have it about right?

No.

Originally Posted by Captain X

Because that's fucked up. But then people who would rather let wrongly convicted persons die just to make sure they can keep having their state-sanctioned revenge are pretty fucked up and tend to make comparisons like that, as if wrongly executing someone is somehow better than wrongly imprisoning them.

You continue to respond to an argument no one is making.

It's getting to the point where I don't believe you are actually interested in having a discussion but instead are simply regurgitating a characterization you deem clever or in some way insightful.

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Forbin

And what about immortals? crap, the gov't will go broke keeping THEM in prison for life!

They'd go broke faster if they keep trying to execute them.

[Tuttle]

Originally Posted by apostle83

...yes, it is sig worthy. That's why it's always been in my sig...

Yes, but the difference is that it's actually worth reading what Chaos posts on WF.

[Captain X]

Originally Posted by Clyde

No.

Then why do you keep bringing it up as an arguing point?

You continue to respond to an argument no one is making.

Actually quite a few people have been making the argument that wrongful imprisonment is just as bad as wrongful execution, so there's no reason not to continue executing prisoners.

It's getting to the point where I don't believe you are actually interested in having a discussion but instead are simply regurgitating a characterization you deem clever or in some way insightful.

You've pretty much summed up every political discussion I've ever seen online.

[Clyde]

^I'm starting to feel like I'm kicking a new guy when he's down.

Lemme just say that your contributions are welcome and I hope you have fun on Wordforge.

[Zombie]

Originally Posted by Clyde

^I'm kicking a new guy when he's down and it feels fucking great.

Take that bitch!

Lemme just say that your bullshit is not fucking welcome and I hope you have fun on Wordforge crying like the bitch you are.

Edited for what Clyde is actually thinking.....

[Bathier Maximus]

Well, actually, that question has nothing to do with the American Death Penalty. In our system, you have upwards of 15 years to go over the evidence and show your innocence. Plus, many good laywers tend to do pro-bono DP appeals. If you can't find a cause to set aside your guilty verdict after 15 years of working with a lawyer, sorry pal, but the odds are you're guilty. And in fact, under such conditions, there has only been one Death Row Inmate that I'm aware of EVER getting proved innocent. So really, I'm thinking the equation is 1/10,000 or 1/20,000 of American Death Row inmates are innocent. So asking about 1/1000 or 1/100 is really stretching things.

Secondly, as has been pointed out here before, "Life" doesn't really mean "Life" but somewhere around 7 years. So if you give Fat Tony "Life" for murdering Ned Flanders, he'll be back on the streets in 7 years. I don't see how that protects the public from killers on the loose. If "Life" meant LIFE there's no reason to fry people in the electric chair, but "Life" means 7 years.

[Captain X]

Originally Posted by Clyde

Originally Posted by Zombie

Kiss my ass.

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Captain X

[Captain X]

Originally Posted by Clyde

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Captain X

[Captain X]

Originally Posted by Clyde

[Faceman]

Intriguing!

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Faceman

Intriguing!

Coulda been better, now it seems like nothing more than a last word (or last icon) type of deal. But you never know, there might still be some fun to be had.

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Captain X

[Captain X]

Originally Posted by Clyde

Are you going to try an actual argument, like ever?

[Zombie]

Clyde giving someone the finger?

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Zombie

Clyde giving someone the finger?

[Clyde]

Originally Posted by Captain X

Are you going to try an actual argument, like ever?

Why start now?



Seriously, are you having fun or has this become a last word type of deal?

Cuz I've no interest in the latter but I'm all about the former.

[Captain X]

It's kind of both at this point, so I'm just going with it. I could always drag out the image memes.