2014 Baseball Thread

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  1. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Okay, it's hot stove season, and pitchers and catchers report in about 55 days, and we are starting to see what the teams will look like come opening day.

    Time to get excited folks! Now before I get in to much deep discussion of issues like the irrelevance of Robinson Cano, here's a cool picture I came across of Jackie Robinson and Vin Scully, about to race on skates.

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    Nautica Probably a Dual

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    My prediction: Cards win! :nyer:
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    When is that not your prediction? At least Yankee fans seem to have finally come to the realization that they are at the beginning of a long time in the wilderness.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    I find this fairly typical of the kind of scum that call themselves Yankee fans:

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  5. Larry

    Larry 18 wheels a rolling!! Deceased Member Moderator

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    Last year the Reds payed Choo about 3 million, Then Texas signs him to a 7 year 130 MILLION, deal. The Reds are a small market team. Choo was a really good player, but he aint worth 19 million a year.
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    Larry 18 wheels a rolling!! Deceased Member Moderator

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    Does he realize most of the Yankees are foreigners? What a JACKASS..
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  7. Larry

    Larry 18 wheels a rolling!! Deceased Member Moderator

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    Well DUH!!
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    It will be interesting to see his impact in Texas. Between him and Fielder, they would appear to have significantly improved their chances to displace Oakland. But I maintain that baseball, despite reliance on individual statistics for analysis, is still a team sport. Will they be the right fit? Will the park be the right shape for their hitting styles? History is replete with examples of teams spending large amounts to put together teams of all stars that fizzle. Just look at the Yankees (pick any season they didn't win the pennant). Or the Angels, or the Redsox in 2011-2012. I do think Choo will have more of a meaningful impact in Arlington than Cano will have in Seattle, though.
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  9. Larry

    Larry 18 wheels a rolling!! Deceased Member Moderator

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    Choo did really well for the Reds, And I wish they could have kept him. He hit 30 HR last year BUT that was at GABP, where it's always been a hitters park. I am not sure if the same is true of Arlington.
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    frontline Hedonistic Glutton Staff Member Moderator

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    The Rays came so close this year. I'm hoping that this year they do it. They have resigned everyone but Price. He is the big mystery. Will on the other hand, great player when his head is in the game. He needs to mature and fast. Hopefully Longo's baby wont keep him in a funk this season.
  11. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    The Rays benefited from a weak Yankee effort. The AL East is going to be super competitive this season.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Hall of Fame selections: Glavine, Madux, Thomas.

    http://www.mlb.com/news/article/mlb...md=20140108&content_id=66395522&vkey=news_mlb

    Thoughts? All three are obvious for membership, each having made significant statements in their career and major contributions to their respective teams.

    Thomas is particularly interesting, since he marks the first player to serve primarily as a DH to make the Hall.

    I'm disappointed that Rafael Palmeiro is going to be dropped from the eligibility list. I know the voters are intent on making a statement about PEDs, but he's one of 4 people ever to have both 500 home runs and 3,000 hits. As with Pete Rose, it's time to recognize that nobody's perfect, and let these guys in.
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    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    All three are worthy, so at least there's that.

    Electing Thomas and not Edgar Martinez is kinda silly. It shows that despite the bemoaning of steroids the electors still care all about the home runs instead of overall production.

    Mussina is criminally underrated because of the lack of a Cy Young and a World Series. Electing Glavine but not Mussina and Shilling is completely ridiculous. Moose and Sock-guy were flat out better than Glavine however you look at it, whether by advanced metrics or traditional stats.

    When they start electing P.E.D. players they're going to need to put Palmeiro back on the ballot.

    Not electing Biggio, Piazza, Bagwell, Schilling, Mussina, and Raines is ridiculous even if you're a P.E.D. fanatic; the ten vote limit needs to go. Thomas and Edgar Martinez are marginal; all those guys are definite admits.

    Jack Morris not being elected is the best thing to happen to the Hall of Fame in recent memory. He was a slightly better than average pitcher who played on some great teams and had one memorable game. Everyone who voted for him and not for Schilling and Mussina (edit: and Alan Trammell!) should be stripped of their ballots. more edit: How Morris, who might if you're generous be the 200th best pitcher of all time if you weigh career value over peak and rate stats, became the Tiger people vote for rather than Trammell and Whitaker, both of whom are top-ten all time at their positions, is a mystery,
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    NAHTMMM Perpetually sondering

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    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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  17. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    As bad as that Cubs Pedobear thing is, nothing is worse than Bernie Brewer.

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    Larry 18 wheels a rolling!! Deceased Member Moderator

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    OH REALLY!! We have Mr, Redlegs, Gapper, and Rosie Red.. My friend Dave wanted to feel her up..
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  19. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    We have this loser:

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    I will say a couple of things in his favor: he is inspired by the actual green monster; for some reason, my kids like him. But when he was first introduced (at the same time they were making a push to clean up behavior at Fenway), he was resoundingly booed by the fans, and people were throwing things at him from the stands.

    The only baseball mascot I like is the Phanatic:

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    That guy is bad ass!
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    Rays just signed Price to a one year extension. Uber good
  21. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    One of the good things about being a Yankees fan is not having to endure a mascot (or hideous alternative uniforms for that matter).
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    You hold on to those things Liet, that might be all you've got going for the team for a while.
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  23. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    I know, I know. Although I am hoping to have the chance to see if Masahiro Tanaka is any good in a Yankees uniform. If he ends up with them and lives up to the hype then it might even be a year or two before the Yankees are truly awful. If A-Rod stays in shape and a court knocks down his suspension to 50 games like it should then they might even have a chance to compete for a season (that linked article, BTW, is written by a Yankees hating Red Sox fan). That arbitration decision was completely lawless, based clearly on neither facts nor law but on the inevitability that MLB would fire the arbitrator for any suspension less than a season in length.
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  24. gul

    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    Don't be so sure about that. There's an op/ed in the Wall Street Journal by a labor attorney who argues that the courts are very unsympathetic to arbitration appeals.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304049704579320433298822334

    It's pay walled, but Here's an excerpt:

    At any rate, I'm not so sure the Yankees aren't better off without him. Taking his salary off the books for a year gives them far more latitude regarding any offers to Tanaka. And given A-Rod's rather unstellar numbers over the past few years, I'm not so sure they aren't better with somebody else at third anyway. I'd be far more worried about short at this point.
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    Chuck Go Giants!

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    If I were running the Yankees, I'd be tempted to just release Rodriguez in 2015 and eat the contract.
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  26. Liet

    Liet Dr. of Horribleness, Ph.D.

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    Did you see the terrible assortment of sub-replacement players they had playing third base this past season when A-Rod was out? Given that, releasing him would, assuming he stays in shape, probably mean losing three to five more games than they need to and a day in court for collusion. The simple fact is that A-Rod didn't do anything to distinguish himself from other PED users under the Joint Drug Agreement. He should be getting a 50 game suspension and very clearly would be if the baseball arbitrator weren't fearful for his job. Blackballing him because he's a poopyhead would be an awful, awful decision. There are a whole lot of poopyheads in the league.
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    I was under the impression that his suspension was longer because he conspired to obstruct the investigation. If it's true, then he violated more rules than the 50 game cohort, and his longer suspension is justified.
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    gul Revolting Beer Drinker Administrator Formerly Important

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    So the season is under way, and my pick to win the World Series already has the best record. Go Dodgers! One more week for everybody else to get started, can't wait!
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    Chuck Go Giants!

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    Go Giants!!! :)