How big a failure is Obama's presidency?

Your talking points are a mess. Did you drop the index cards or inadvertently shuffle them? Please try to stay focused.

DERP!

It is like a cry for help, isn't it, son? It is like saying "Someone please stop me before I DERP! again." You secretly want help but the compulsion is to strong.

I hate the argument everyone says about "you can't deport them all"

It took 20 years for 11 million illegals to get here, why can't you deport 11 million, or even 5 million over the course of 20 years?

If only 5 million that would be only deporting 250,000 a year over & beyond others who come here illegally. Or about 750 or so per day.

Surely that is within the capabilities of the U.S.

So you have no recollection of why everyone was screaming about immigration, starting earlier this year and going all the way through to the election?

Sure Dayton, so how should we select the first 250,000?

I recall that you've changed your argument faster than a chameleon changes colors. It renders everything you say as suspect.

Notice how the same people who about how "teh Boomers is gonna bankrupt us all!" are so violently against allowing a younger demographic into the country to pay taxes, contribute to FICA, etc.?

We should deport many of them to provide a strong disincentive for the entire third world to show up. At present we're not even creating enough jobs for the Americans who aren't illegal aliens. The number of people dropping out of the workforce (having given up on finding a job) has risen to levels not seen since the Carter era. Black unemployment has already hit record levels, with no signs of declining. And yet Obama's continued amnesty and non-enforcement has created huge waves of new arrivals, and all those illegal workers create a huge downward pressure on wages. Poor, women, and minorities most affected. People like lawyers, doctors, and engineers really don't care - we just exploit the cheap Democrat labor. May all rank-and-file Democrats remain poor as dirt, with stagnating wages.

And yet, there's something the government could do to both benefit the illegals already here and create a disincentive for Central American kids to attempt a dangerous, disease filled train journey through Mexico, and that's enforce the borders. But Obama refuses to do that. He is basically giving the US to the third world and daring anyone to stop him.

I'm sure there are a number of criteria:

1) Illegal aliens who have committed crimes (beyond being here illegally).
2) Illegal aliens who do not have any immediate family members here who are American citizens.
3) Illegal aliens who do not have regular employment.

Or some combination thereof.

CONGRATULATIONS! You just embraced President Obama's plan.

Actually, somewhat the opposite. Obama's plan is to still deport those who are here to work to support families back in their home countries. Those folks are kind of miffed. His plan does allow anyone who doesn't want a job to stay as long as they've been popping out babies or have transported their children here illegally across a dangerous border region, and his plan calls for illegal aliens with criminal records to voluntarily leave the country, but only if they really want to. The DHS has released their new priority list, and sex offenders, drug traffickers, and gun runners are specifically de-prioritized and won't be subject to deportation. Instead they want to focus on terrorists and threats to national security.

And you claim to be a "Christian"?!?

Wow, that sounds a lot like the Obama plan. Would you order INS to take such an approach? Or would you wait for Congress to mandate it or something similar?

Nothing rational sounds like Obama's plan. You see, immigrants already had amnesty under the old system, and Obama just snatched it away from them. What kind of nut would describe the changes that way? Why Obama did - in his speech.

"Amnesty is the immigration system we have today — millions of people who live here without paying their taxes or playing by the rules, while politicians use the issue to scare people and whip up votes at election time. That’s the real amnesty — leaving this broken system the way it is.”

So the Republicans are insisting on maintaining amnesty for illegals, and Obama insists on eliminating amnesty through executive action - calling his new system "accountability", which means not holding them accountable. The master orator has spoken.

Do you give investment advice?

Yeah. Don't make any financial decisions based on Obama's executive action staying in place, such as starting a business with the plan of hiring some of the new work card holders.

Fewer than half of the people eligible for his 2010 amnesty even applied, in part because the process was just as onerous as you'd expect from a vast federal bureaucracy: Huge fees, biometric scans, sisyphean documentation requirements, and Kafkaesque delays. The illegals get a big dose of big government, with no guarantee that the information won't be used to conveniently deport them at a later date based on Congressional action or the whim of a different President.

Second, Obama has now made them a political football instead of a long-term bipartisan problem. Obama keeps listening to the angry activists who keep making demands, and angry demands from people here illegally do not play well on TV. We do have a process which immigrants are supposed to follow, and almost all of us are descendants of people who went through that process, following all the rules and obeying the law. We have hundreds of thousands of people who are currently going through the process to become a legal resident and a US citizen, and Obama just slapped them all in the face like they were chumps. Many have paid out tens of thousands of dollars in costs, fees, and legal bills, and those people aren't shy about telling us how they feel about Obama's non-amnesty amnesty.

Third, approval for Obama's action is probably at its highest right now, after his speech and before opposition goes into high gear. According to several top polling firms, his action has only 38 percent support. It will go downhill from there, and Congressional Democrats are going to painfully look at those numbers and wonder why they should sacrifice their own carreers to win the support of people who aren't allowed to vote, and who can't be counted on to vote Democrat anywhere outside of California, Chicago, New York, or New Jersey. Five Democrat Senators have already come out in opposition to Obama's action and the lobbying and arm twisting hasn't even started yet. If you add them to the 55 Senate seats the Republicans will hold in January, you're already at 60 votes. Seven more and they're in veto-override territory, and love for Obama is mighty thin on the hill.

Kthx. Now I know what not to do.

How are you at predicting weather?

I guess I missed it.

Where does Obama talk about deporting 5 million people over and beyond those who come here illegally?

He talked about precisely the three points you listed above, not the five million figure you mentioned in an entirely different post.

Huh? I see nothing about 5,000,000 legal immigrants in the post to which I replied.

I suggested deporting 5 million illegal immigrants with an average of 250,000 a year over and beyond those who enter the country illegally yearly for 20 years.

I do not see President Obama endorsing mass deportations of illegals.

He has certainly deported far more than any other President in history and that is a fact.

Isn't that because the Obama admin. counts people stopped at the border as "deported"? Rather than seeking out those already in the United States

Not that I have heard. They really did want to lower the unemployment rate so they really did step up deportations plus increased funding for the border patrol was one of the few things he could get the party of no to vote yes on.

No, he's actually deported less per year than any President since Nixon. The numbers mistake was in changing the status of those who are caught trying to cross the border and simply returned. Those didn't use to count as deportations. However, those actions were always kept track of, allowing us to get accurate figures for all Presidents since Eisenhower.

Politifact says it is mostly so and the numbers have only gone up in the last two years

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/...er-obama-vs-bush-who-deported-more-immigrants

That is from new Republic. The politifact article from 2012 said Bush deported more in his 8 years than Obama did in his first four years but just barely so. Obama passed him in late 2013 toearly 2014 in absolute numbers and his rate per year has always been the highest.

Just because you don't like reality doesn't mean the facts aren't real.

From Cis.org's article

Because the Obama administration has blurred the lines of which agencies can take credit for deportations, the only fair way to assess their performance is to count all deportations done by all the DHS agencies. These are reported every year in the DHS Yearbook of Immigration Statistics in Table 39, which shows the number of "removals" and "returns" by all immigration enforcement agencies going back to 1927.

Administration - Avg Annual Deportations
Obama --------- 800,643
Bush 43 ------ 1,291,106
Clinton ------- 1,536,363
Bush 41 ------ 1,040,420
Reagan ------- 1,034,606
Carter ---------- 908,314
Ford ------------ 804,081
Nixon ---------- 402,866
Johnson -------- 132,604
Kennedy --------- 66,636
Eisenhower ---- 327,091

There's a better table at the link - including totals.

ETA: That's an oopsie. I skipped Bush 43 and attributed his totals to Obama. Fixed now. Obama's numbers only go through 2012 in that table, prior to his decision not to deport hardly anybody - which led to this summer's massive waves and his latest speech.

You say this as though there's been a shit ton of Americans lining up for jobs to pick fruit until the economy crashed.

The fact is, there isn't. Even for the one or two companies that try to go legit, they hate American workers because we're generally lazier, slower at the task and quit by the end of the week.

I do hear the rare, random NPR piece of someone that immigrated as a child and became a laywer or doctor or something like that without ever becoming legal. But then, not a whole lotta 'Muricans can do math or talk english good enough to even get into a state school, much less law or med school. And frankly, I have no problem granting amnesty to these types.