"The Snyder Cut", is happening.

Zombie · May 22, 2020

GhostEcho said: ↑

I'd like to think that the Snyder Cut will be a great improvement, but I know it won't be.

I didn't like Justice League, and I find it hard to believe that this will make me like it.

I liked Man of Steel and Wonder Woman, never saw Aquaman. Still a Marvel fanboy at heart.
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One word picture review of Aquaman:

Chaos Descending · May 22, 2020

Zombie said: ↑

GhostEcho said: ↑

I'd like to think that the Snyder Cut will be a great improvement, but I know it won't be.

I didn't like Justice League, and I find it hard to believe that this will make me like it.

I liked Man of Steel and Wonder Woman, never saw Aquaman. Still a Marvel fanboy at heart.
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One word picture review of Aquaman:

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I respect your taste in films, but this is at odds with what "Everyone Else" is saying. Up til now I've heard that Aquaman was pretty good.

Zombie · May 22, 2020

Well go watch it than.

We Are Borg · May 22, 2020

Zombie said: ↑

GhostEcho said: ↑

One word picture review of Aquaman:

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I respect your taste in films, but this is at odds with what "Everyone Else" is saying. Up til now I've heard that Aquaman was pretty good.
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If, by "pretty good" you mean "completely uninspired and forgettable", you'd be correct.

Zombie · May 22, 2020

You know if WAB and me are on the same page about a movie.

Diacanu · May 22, 2020

Today just happens to be the three year anniversary of Zack Snyder stepping down from JL.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/just...ping-down-as-justice-leagues-director-a175564

The Original Faceman · May 22, 2020

Diacanu said: ↑

Today just happens to be the three year anniversary of Zack Snyder stepping down from JL.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/just...ping-down-as-justice-leagues-director-a175564
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That’s fucking amazing!

Diacanu · May 22, 2020

His Grace Faceman the Duke of Wordforge said: ↑

Diacanu said: ↑

Today just happens to be the three year anniversary of Zack Snyder stepping down from JL.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/just...ping-down-as-justice-leagues-director-a175564
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That’s fucking amazing!
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Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

Paladin · May 23, 2020

GhostEcho said: ↑

Zombie said: ↑

GhostEcho said: ↑

I'd like to think that the Snyder Cut will be a great improvement, but I know it won't be.

I didn't like Justice League, and I find it hard to believe that this will make me like it.

I liked Man of Steel and Wonder Woman, never saw Aquaman. Still a Marvel fanboy at heart.
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One word picture review of Aquaman:

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I respect your taste in films, but this is at odds with what "Everyone Else" is saying. Up til now I've heard that Aquaman was pretty good.
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It's a little overlong, but pretty solid.

NAHTMMM · May 23, 2020

Zombie said: ↑

Plot twist: The $30 million was spent on Supermans mustache.

That is the Snyder cut.

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A different moustache in every scene!

Diacanu · May 26, 2020

Now the "releasetheAyercut", fans for Suicide Squad are coming out of the woodwork again, but what's really interesting, is Ayer is breaking his silence.

Before, he played ball, and said he was fine with WB's cut, but now he's saying El Diablo killing his family is the only compromise WB gave him, and that they did an "Edward Scissorhands job", of cutting it.

We should get all the directors's cuts.
In the VHS/DVD days we just got them.
Now, for some reason, and it's very recent too, we have to beg like dogs for them.

Diacanu · May 26, 2020

Granted, the Snyder cut is a special case, cuz it needs money to be finished, but the Ayer cut already exists.
Why are we having to beg for that one?

Diacanu · May 26, 2020

WarnerMedia chairman says of the cost "I wish it was only 30 million".

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/just...e-costs-i-wish-it-was-just-30-million-a175623

Tuckerfan · May 26, 2020

Diacanu said: ↑

WarnerMedia chairman says of the cost "I wish it was only 30 million".

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/just...e-costs-i-wish-it-was-just-30-million-a175623
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With Follywood accounting, who knows what the actual cost is. It would be really interesting to see what Snyder's contract said. I have to wonder if there wasn't something about him getting a cut of the film's revenue and they're not fiddling with the numbers to screw him out of that.

Black Dove · May 26, 2020

I never watched the Joss Whedon cut. Considering the disappointment in Bats vs. Supes, I don't have high hopes it will be any good.

Steal Your Face · May 26, 2020

Diacanu said: ↑

Now the "releasetheAyercut", fans for Suicide Squad are coming out of the woodwork again, but what's really interesting, is Ayer is breaking his silence.

Before, he played ball, and said he was fine with WB's cut, but now he's saying El Diablo killing his family is the only compromise WB gave him, and that they did an "Edward Scissorhands job", of cutting it.

We should get all the directors's cuts.
In the VHS/DVD days we just got them.
Now, for some reason, and it's very recent too, we have to beg like dogs for them.
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Not always. I still have the special edition of The Abyss on DVD and at the time it was get it while you can situation. Same with the unspecialized Star Wars DVD which I had and sold at a yard sale. The Abyss I still have. Oh and remember what it took to get the Donner cut of Superman 2 released?

We Are Borg · May 26, 2020

Paladin said: ↑

GhostEcho said: ↑

I respect your taste in films, but this is at odds with what "Everyone Else" is saying. Up til now I've heard that Aquaman was pretty good.
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It's a little overlong, but pretty solid.
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If, by "solid", you mean "it's not explosive diarrhea, but it's a pretty solid turd," you'd be correct.

Tuckerfan · May 27, 2020

Diacanu · May 28, 2020

Paladin · May 28, 2020

We Are Borg said: ↑

Paladin said: ↑

GhostEcho said: ↑

I respect your taste in films, but this is at odds with what "Everyone Else" is saying. Up til now I've heard that Aquaman was pretty good.
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It's a little overlong, but pretty solid.
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If, by "solid", you mean "it's not explosive diarrhea, but it's a pretty solid turd," you'd be correct.
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To each his own.

However...

Aquaman on Rotten Tomatoes.

We Are Borg · Jun 22, 2020

Official teaser is up.

Diacanu · Jul 6, 2020

Diacanu said: ↑

Paladin said: ↑

Justice League was okay--and, given the chaos behind the scenes, better than it had any right to be--but for a film featuring those iconic characters to fall short of greatness was disappointing.

I want to see the Snyder Cut because I seem to be on Zack Snyder's wavelength. I've really liked the superhero films he's made so far. I saw Watchmen in a movie theater more times than any other film with the exception of The Empire Strikes Back. I know I'm in the minority, but I not only like Batman v Superman, I consider it (the Extended Edition) one of the classics of the genre.

Do I think the Snyder Cut is going to be a revelation? No. It may not be any better than the theatrical release. But it will be very close to the film Zack Snyder intended to make. And it may be unfulfilling in another way: Snyder's plan was for this to lead into another film, so we're likely to get teased for a sequel that will never happen.
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One thing I am curious about.
Will we get the Junkie XL score?
He said he had it all done and recorded, but it was synced to the Snyder version, which is why we got the Danny Elfman version on the Whedon cut.
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They're using it!!

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/just...ore-and-work-by-hans-zimmer-a176598#gs.9ld78q

Tuckerfan · Jul 21, 2020

Paladin said: ↑

Justice League was okay--and, given the chaos behind the scenes, better than it had any right to be--but for a film featuring those iconic characters to fall short of greatness was disappointing.

I want to see the Snyder Cut because I seem to be on Zack Snyder's wavelength. I've really liked the superhero films he's made so far. I saw Watchmen in a movie theater more times than any other film with the exception of The Empire Strikes Back. I know I'm in the minority, but I not only like Batman v Superman, I consider it (the Extended Edition) one of the classics of the genre.

Do I think the Snyder Cut is going to be a revelation? No. It may not be any better than the theatrical release. But it will be very close to the film Zack Snyder intended to make. And it may be unfulfilling in another way: Snyder's plan was for this to lead into another film, so we're likely to get teased for a sequel that will never happen.
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Eh, maybe.

Zack Snyder Considers His Justice League Cut to Be Mostly Standalone

Changing a movie that’s already been released causes many fascinating challenges. In the case of Zack Snyder’s Justice League, one of those challenges is the fact that other DCEU movies took what happened in the theatrical cut as gospel. So where does that leave the “Snyder Cut”? Snyder himself has a few thoughts.

“The theatrical version of Justice League is tighter in continuity to what [Warner Bros.] is doing now in the DCU,” Snyder said in a new interview with Beyond the Trailer. “But because of this and because Warner Bros. has done the kind and amazing gesture of saying ‘Zack, go finish your vision,’ it’s going to be divergent in some ways, just by its nature. And I think that’s a thing you want because it allows more, and more is more.”

In particular, Snyder mentions James Wan’s billion-dollar hit Aquaman, which takes place after Justice League, as well as the upcoming Wonder Woman 1984, which is set before but based on the character’s previous two appearances and will at least partially be beholden to the events that occur in the theatrical cut of Justice League. Shazam also exists with that film in mind, though Snyder doesn’t mention it.

To better explain how that’ll work, Snyder compared this new version of Justice League to kind of a limited run of a comic where a specific artist or writer takes over, does their own thing, and then leaves. “The power of DC and one of its cool strengths is this sort of multiverse concept,” Snyder said. “And also they put filmmakers first and say ‘You know what guys? We want to hear your individual voices. Take these characters and do your run...in sort of the great tradition of comic book writing.’”

That’s more the case now—with films like Matt Reeves’ The Batman and the “Snyder Cut” of Justice League—than it was with movies like Suicide Squad or Batman v Superman, but the change has certainly worked. Films like Shazam and Aquaman have become big hits, while others, like Birds of Prey, have taken big, interesting risks, without being bogged down by those other films.

But though the Snyder Cut won’t have direct continuity with the movies that follow, the director does explain he feels his run of Man of Steel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and Justice League will have a continuity of its own. “What you’ll see with Justice League is there’s continuity across those three movies that’s really [cohesive],” Snyder said. “That’s my main focus, to satisfy that narrative structure.”

There’s much more about the film in the Beyond the Trailer interview, so head there if you’re curious. Snyder also promises to reveal more information, and a clip, at a fan-run event called “Justice Con” this weekend. You can check that out on the Justice Con YouTube.
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We Are Borg · Jul 22, 2020

The Night Funky said: ↑

Paladin said: ↑

Justice League was okay--and, given the chaos behind the scenes, better than it had any right to be--but for a film featuring those iconic characters to fall short of greatness was disappointing.

I want to see the Snyder Cut because I seem to be on Zack Snyder's wavelength. I've really liked the superhero films he's made so far. I saw Watchmen in a movie theater more times than any other film with the exception of The Empire Strikes Back. I know I'm in the minority, but I not only like Batman v Superman, I consider it (the Extended Edition) one of the classics of the genre.

Do I think the Snyder Cut is going to be a revelation? No. It may not be any better than the theatrical release. But it will be very close to the film Zack Snyder intended to make. And it may be unfulfilling in another way: Snyder's plan was for this to lead into another film, so we're likely to get teased for a sequel that will never happen.
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Eh, maybe.

Zack Snyder Considers His Justice League Cut to Be Mostly Standalone

Changing a movie that’s already been released causes many fascinating challenges. In the case of Zack Snyder’s Justice League, one of those challenges is the fact that other DCEU movies took what happened in the theatrical cut as gospel. So where does that leave the “Snyder Cut”? Snyder himself has a few thoughts.

“The theatrical version of Justice League is tighter in continuity to what [Warner Bros.] is doing now in the DCU,” Snyder said in a new interview with Beyond the Trailer. “But because of this and because Warner Bros. has done the kind and amazing gesture of saying ‘Zack, go finish your vision,’ it’s going to be divergent in some ways, just by its nature. And I think that’s a thing you want because it allows more, and more is more.”

In particular, Snyder mentions James Wan’s billion-dollar hit Aquaman, which takes place after Justice League, as well as the upcoming Wonder Woman 1984, which is set before but based on the character’s previous two appearances and will at least partially be beholden to the events that occur in the theatrical cut of Justice League. Shazam also exists with that film in mind, though Snyder doesn’t mention it.

To better explain how that’ll work, Snyder compared this new version of Justice League to kind of a limited run of a comic where a specific artist or writer takes over, does their own thing, and then leaves. “The power of DC and one of its cool strengths is this sort of multiverse concept,” Snyder said. “And also they put filmmakers first and say ‘You know what guys? We want to hear your individual voices. Take these characters and do your run...in sort of the great tradition of comic book writing.’”

That’s more the case now—with films like Matt Reeves’ The Batman and the “Snyder Cut” of Justice League—than it was with movies like Suicide Squad or Batman v Superman, but the change has certainly worked. Films like Shazam and Aquaman have become big hits, while others, like Birds of Prey, have taken big, interesting risks, without being bogged down by those other films.

But though the Snyder Cut won’t have direct continuity with the movies that follow, the director does explain he feels his run of Man of Steel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and Justice League will have a continuity of its own. “What you’ll see with Justice League is there’s continuity across those three movies that’s really [cohesive],” Snyder said. “That’s my main focus, to satisfy that narrative structure.”

There’s much more about the film in the Beyond the Trailer interview, so head there if you’re curious. Snyder also promises to reveal more information, and a clip, at a fan-run event called “Justice Con” this weekend. You can check that out on the Justice Con YouTube.
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Eh, in-franchise continuity is overrated anyway. It's why Star Trek has become such an utter shit show with fans.

So long as it's not totally egregious, I'm willing to overlook continuity and canon "gaps" in the name of a decent and entertaining story.

(I realize I just made a whole subset of fandom's heads explode.)

Chaos Descending · Jul 22, 2020

We Are Borg said: ↑

The Night Funky said: ↑

Paladin said: ↑

Justice League was okay--and, given the chaos behind the scenes, better than it had any right to be--but for a film featuring those iconic characters to fall short of greatness was disappointing.

I want to see the Snyder Cut because I seem to be on Zack Snyder's wavelength. I've really liked the superhero films he's made so far. I saw Watchmen in a movie theater more times than any other film with the exception of The Empire Strikes Back. I know I'm in the minority, but I not only like Batman v Superman, I consider it (the Extended Edition) one of the classics of the genre.

Do I think the Snyder Cut is going to be a revelation? No. It may not be any better than the theatrical release. But it will be very close to the film Zack Snyder intended to make. And it may be unfulfilling in another way: Snyder's plan was for this to lead into another film, so we're likely to get teased for a sequel that will never happen.
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Eh, maybe.

Zack Snyder Considers His Justice League Cut to Be Mostly Standalone

Changing a movie that’s already been released causes many fascinating challenges. In the case of Zack Snyder’s Justice League, one of those challenges is the fact that other DCEU movies took what happened in the theatrical cut as gospel. So where does that leave the “Snyder Cut”? Snyder himself has a few thoughts.

“The theatrical version of Justice League is tighter in continuity to what [Warner Bros.] is doing now in the DCU,” Snyder said in a new interview with Beyond the Trailer. “But because of this and because Warner Bros. has done the kind and amazing gesture of saying ‘Zack, go finish your vision,’ it’s going to be divergent in some ways, just by its nature. And I think that’s a thing you want because it allows more, and more is more.”

In particular, Snyder mentions James Wan’s billion-dollar hit Aquaman, which takes place after Justice League, as well as the upcoming Wonder Woman 1984, which is set before but based on the character’s previous two appearances and will at least partially be beholden to the events that occur in the theatrical cut of Justice League. Shazam also exists with that film in mind, though Snyder doesn’t mention it.

To better explain how that’ll work, Snyder compared this new version of Justice League to kind of a limited run of a comic where a specific artist or writer takes over, does their own thing, and then leaves. “The power of DC and one of its cool strengths is this sort of multiverse concept,” Snyder said. “And also they put filmmakers first and say ‘You know what guys? We want to hear your individual voices. Take these characters and do your run...in sort of the great tradition of comic book writing.’”

That’s more the case now—with films like Matt Reeves’ The Batman and the “Snyder Cut” of Justice League—than it was with movies like Suicide Squad or Batman v Superman, but the change has certainly worked. Films like Shazam and Aquaman have become big hits, while others, like Birds of Prey, have taken big, interesting risks, without being bogged down by those other films.

But though the Snyder Cut won’t have direct continuity with the movies that follow, the director does explain he feels his run of Man of Steel, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and Justice League will have a continuity of its own. “What you’ll see with Justice League is there’s continuity across those three movies that’s really [cohesive],” Snyder said. “That’s my main focus, to satisfy that narrative structure.”

There’s much more about the film in the Beyond the Trailer interview, so head there if you’re curious. Snyder also promises to reveal more information, and a clip, at a fan-run event called “Justice Con” this weekend. You can check that out on the Justice Con YouTube.
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Eh, in-franchise continuity is overrated anyway. It's why Star Trek has become such an utter shit show with fans.

So long as it's not totally egregious, I'm willing to overlook continuity and canon "gaps" in the name of a decent and entertaining story.

(I realize I just made a whole subset of fandom's heads explode.)
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I think one of the best ways to get over the canon and continuity thing is to just assume that all of the movies and TV shows and whatnot are "semi-historical productions" made 100 years or more after the events they portray, so they're likely to get things wrong or miss details.

This happens in real life. Just watch any given bunch of movies about WWII and Vietnam to see what they get wrong, and there are still people alive who lived through that stuff!

Tuckerfan · Jul 25, 2020

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RickDeckard said: ↑

Catch me up. How will this differ from what I've already seen?
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Superman puts on the black suit!!

The! Black! SUIT!!
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Look at it! Look at it!

Tuckerfan · Sep 24, 2020

OMG! Reshoots! Reshoots! It's in trouble!

WHAT THE VERY EXPENSIVE SNYDER CUT RESHOOTS HINT ABOUT THE DCEU

ONE OF THE MOST BAFFLING THINGS about the DC Universe isn't a comic book reboot. It's the price tag for necessary reshoots of the 2017 superhero movie Justice League, coming to HBO Max as Zack Snyder's Justice League.

After a summer where movies like Mulan and Tenet (both released under drastically different methods) barely broke even coming out in the Covid-19 pandemic, one can't help but speculate on the wild decision-making behind the director's cut of a 2017 movie — and how it factors into the big picture for the DC cinematic franchise.

In other words: There must be more to the DC franchise if WarnerMedia is willing to spend oodles of money to redo a three-year-old movie that wasn't popular (40% on Rotten Tomatoes) to begin with. But what is it?

WHAT HAPPENED? — On Wednesday, both The Hollywood Reporter and The Wrap reported on October reshoots for Zack Snyder's Justice League. THR reported that many of the Justice League actors, including Ben Affleck and Ray Fisher will return. Fisher recently made claims about an "unprofessional" work environment on the first Justice League reshoots with Joss Whedon (claims that WarnerMedia has publicly denied).

TheWrap reported the approximate cost for the reshoots, which is $70 MILLION.

When the "Snyder Cut" was first confirmed earlier this summer, there was no mention of reshoots. Instead, Snyder would rely on his hours of unused material — plus some new special effects and voice recordings — to turn Justice League into a miniseries. (Snyder also made it clear his version of the movie would not use anything shot by Joss Whedon, who took over as director during a reportedly tense and "unprofessional" reshoot.) The cost was also reported to be in the "range" of $20-$30 million, per THR's reporting.

Obviously, plans have changed. But why?

WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THE DCEU — For a special effects-heavy superhero movie, it's not that surprising the reshoots for Justice League cost $70 million. It also supports my own theory that the "Snyder Cut" needed a totally new ending, as Snyder's initial vision called for a two-part Justice League movie. That means even the "Snyder Cut" would end on a cliffhanger to lead into Justice League Part Two. In an alternate timeline where Zack Snyder shot and released Justice League exactly how he intended, the sequel would have opened in 2019.

Paying actors and building new sets and finalizing VFX and I guess writing a new ending, all during a pandemic? Yeah, that's $70 million. It's also really expensive, especially for a movie audiences presumably won't have to pay extra for like Disney's Mulan, which cost $30 in addition to a Disney+ subscription. Instead, a single subscription to HBO Max — currently discounted at $12 per month — is all one needs to watch the Snyder Cut.

Just to further emphasize the scale of this: $70 million is about the cost of one of the Deadpool movies, or a few John Wicks. $70 million is "4.6 Ex Machinas," Observer's Brandon Katz joked on Twitter. I'll add that $70 million is the cost of making Get Out almost 16 times.

The economics simply don't seem to shake out. If even the Disney+ "Premier Access" release of Mulan proved to be unfruitful, how much worse will Snyder's Justice League end up? Though the fan base for the Snyder Cut made a huge noise on social media for years, trending on Twitter isn't a meaningful measurement of commercial potential. There are hordes of other fandoms, some older than the Snyder Cut, who get movies that under-perform. The same year Justice League opened in theaters, Power Rangers, based on the nearly 30-year-old franchise, similarly opened with a thud. A year before that, Star Trek Beyond failed to recoup costs for Paramount. And unlike either Justice League or Power Rangers, Star Trek actually had a very enthusiastic reception.

But Justice League does play a part in the growing and evolving DC cinematic franchise, which has a number of new movies in the pipeline. Movies like The Flash, The Suicide Squad, Wonder Woman 1984, Shazam: Fury of the Gods, and Black Adam. While it's unclear how these movies will tie into Justice League specifically, if at all — conversations about continuity with the Snyder Cut are even more complex — it's still possible the Snyder Cut will factor into the DCEU's future if Warner is willing to pay a whopping seventy million dollars.

As the DCEU veers into DC's multiverse, it's totally plausible that the Snyder-verse could become its own franchise, with characters crossing back and forth between the realities of Joss Whedon and Zack Snyder's visions — not to mention other dimensions from the Tim Burton movies to the Arrowverse. If the multiverse really is DC's future, Warner's $70 million dollar bet on a director's cut starts to make at least a little more sense.

THE INVERSE ANALYSIS — It's hard to see through the opaque messaging of Warner's aims for the DC franchise. To a casual observer, they're just making movies. But most superhero movies don't have a $70 million reshoot three years after it was released, for a streaming service with memberships that cost less than the average movie ticket.

A year away from release and the Snyder Cut is already a fascinating case study of the Hollywood business. In spite of logic and reason, Zack Snyder's Justice League is being made through sheer force of will and oodles of money coming from somewhere; the swallowing of WarnerMedia by telecom giant AT&T has resulted in lots of mergers, and lots of laid-off workers.

How the "Snyder Cut" will change the DCEU is something fans are looking forward to finding out. Whether it was worth all it took to get there will be a different matter entirely.

ZACK SNYDER'S JUSTICE LEAGUE WILL BE RELEASED ON HBO MAX ON SEPTEMBER 5, 2021.
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We Are Borg · Sep 24, 2020

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OMG! Reshoots! Reshoots! It's in trouble!
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Did FF hack your account?

Demiurge · Sep 28, 2020

They are using the Snyder cut to kick off HBO Max, which is leaning heavily into the Warner superhero properties.

Personally I've enjoyed a lot of the DC movies in recent years. I'm all for it.

About the only one I didn't enjoy at least somewhat was Birds of Prey. That was just dreck.

But with WW1984, Black Adam, THE Suicide Squad with Cena as Peacemaker as a spin off series, another Shazam, the Flash, and the Batman coming out in the next two years of so then onto HBO Max, they've got a lot of potential.

Diacanu · Oct 21, 2020

Jared Leto's Joker is going to be in the Snyder Cut reshoots.
Everyone's favorite Joker!!!
Snyder loves you!!!

https://www.cbr.com/jared-leto-joker-zack-snyder-justice-league/

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