"Your father was captain of a starship for 12 minutes..."

There is only one version of the Enterprise that matters.





And for those of you who might want to point out that I've "crossed the streams" I have one thing to say to you:

My question is what happens when Vger comes and gets pissed and wipes out all the carbon based life forms on earth? Then who wins the fight when the giant whale probe comes to talk to the whales and finds Vger still trying to communicate with the creator? Do they join forces, or is there some sort of fight? Or does future spock reveal some secrets we were going to miss because they rewrote the timeline?

TOS enterprise and crew did a lot of things. Let us say spock does give out the information he knows to give out. He does not know to tell everyone how to cure the problems with intoxication based on water molecules under extreme gravity. So even if he does fix some things TNG enterprise gets blown up early because Beverly never gets the clue which leads her to the cure and they get hit by a big chunk of star. Then, because the Q test of pickard is ended early do the Q just get rid of humans?

If I had to pick three Trek films to never watch again, I think it'd be those three. Or Nemesis three times over, just to make sure.

If the TNG crew die any time before Generations, they're not there for First Contact, and the Federation get Borgified in the past.
But then Kirk doesn't exist to stop the Lazarus-es from destroying the whole universe.
So, suddenly, V'ger and Whale Probe aren't a problem anymore.

No, and this is because it was Q and the enterprise who lead the Borg to earth. So if they die via a chunk of star hitting them then the borg find earth later. That would actually bring a lot of people back and probably eliminate the whole sisco god thing and potentially open up a future of dominion rule because sisco would probably be making more jakes if it was not for the Borg attack.

There are a whole bunch of problems thrown into the timeline that are all caused by the JJverse. What really needs to happen is that Janeway crashes voyager into his house before he can write the reboot so that the timelines are restored. Even that may not work without a temporal incursion, but it would be funny.

The Enterprise A bridge from TUC is my favorite.

Starfleet ships look alright, but the design of most of them seems impractical. Is there a reason that the warp nacelles need to be so far away from the rest of the ship? If not, then those long-ass pylons are a serious weak point, as is that thin part between the saucer and whatever the lower part is called. With the Galaxy-class ships it kind of made sense because because the saucer section detached and could be used as a giant escape pod if the warp core becomes unstable and they can't eject it for some reason.

Even worse is how they put the bridge in the top-center of the saucer and it sticks out. Might as well write "aim torpedo here to take out senior officers" on the hull next to it. Although, that probably doesn't matter since the control panels on the bridge start exploding if the ship so much as experiences mild turbulence.

I'll freak out all the geeks on this board -- especially a certain model builder -- and say that I've always thought the starships in Star Trek look fucking goofy.

I think Q had something to say about all this in "Tapestry".

The opening was really good and exactly what was needed to bring Trek back to mainstream attention.

But yeah, the rest had a lot of faults.

I go back and forth on 2009 vs. Into Darkness. 2009 was the better movie, but Into Darkness, as train-wrecky as it could get, tried harder (like, at all) to be an actual Trek movie. But I think WAB's comment about his bottom 3 Trek movies clarified that decision for me.

Why not those three, out of curiosity? I mean, I get that none of them are particularly good, but then neither IMO are the Slow-Motion Picture and Final Frontier.

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Despite it's slowness, TMP had a certain majesty that none of the other films had. And it's just got an overall different tone than all other films. It's by far not the best of the Trek films, but it's more watchable than the three films I mentioned, IMO.

Final Frontier is the worst of the original cast films and I rarely watch it. But again, it's not as bad as the other three films.

Insurrection and Nemesis are just embarrassing and feel like awful episodes of TNG (of which there were many). It's sad to see the crew of the Federation Flagship reduced to this stupidity.

Into Darkness has its moments but its the weakest of the JJTrek films. The elements of a good story are there (even though they're ripping off TWOK) but it just doesn't seem to gel.

The 2001 TMP director's cut with updated effects did a lot to help the ponderous pacing of the theatrical release and previous "extended" editions of the film. So far it's not available to stream or on Blu-ray because the new effects were rendered in SD, but co-producer David C. Fein says that all the elements are still available for remastering to HD if Paramount ever decides to green light the project.

I thought I had read somewhere that Paramount had managed to lose rights to a ton of the TMP assets Foundation Imaging had produced when that company closed up.

There's also probably a good reason why TMP wasn't quite the movie it could have been.

Yes, they're powerful and dangerous and at least with the original Enterprise the idea was that you wanted them as far away as possible and didn't want to ever get between them.

There were suggestions in TOS that the saucer could separate for exactly that reason.

The thin neck doesn't make sense thinking about stuff built in gravity wells, or even if the ships nacelles were rocket engines, but they're not. The ship isn't being pushed along by the nacelles and engineering section, they are bending space around the entire thing. Any scenario where the Enterprise encounters enough stresses to break the neck is already a bad day where the ship is likely going to die anyway.

Nothing says we come in peace like putting your command crew in a vulnerable position.