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^ Actually, it's post #1201...

He's just sad 'cause his Mommy wouldn't breastfeed him.


ObamaCare Myth: ObamaCare Creates Health Insurance

ObamaCare does’t create health insurance, it regulates the health insurance industry and helps to increase the quality, affordability, and availability of private insurance and expand and improve public health insurance options like Medicare, Medicaid and CHIP. The law does this by creating new rules for insurers, expanding Medicaid eligibility to tens of millions of Americans, improving Medicare coverage and by implementing a Health Insurance Marketplace where Americans can buy subsidized, regulated health insurance in a competitive private market as well as many more reforms to the health insurance and health care systems.

ObamaCare doesn’t create a government-run healthcare system or Government insurance. It greatly expands business for the private for-profit health insurance industry, creating about 12 million new customers. In other words ObamaCare regulates the "free market", it doesn't replace it. It does however expand and improve Medicare, Medicaid and CHIP which are types of Government health insurance. It also expands private employer based insurance.

I meant his.
I was congratulating him.
Way to step on a moment.

Kinda hard to breastfeed him after she slit her own throat the first time she looked at him.¹

As for the PPACA, "individual premiums for Manhattan residents dropped from $1,534 for a standard health maintenance organization, or H.M.O., in 2013 to $621 for a comparable exchange plan now." Cheaper plans are readily available. Thanks, Obamacare!

1 I'm not entirely sure whether I'm joking. It would explain a lot.

ObamaCare Myth: You Have to Use the Health Insurance Marketplace

No one has to use the marketplace. The fact is anyone who likes their current insurance can keep it, assuming it complies with the ACA or it has a grandfathered status. If you have Government based insurance like Medicare, Medicaid, or CHIP then you are covered. If you like your work based insurance, you can keep that too. The marketplace is for uninsured Americans and those who don't like their current plan. Those making under 400% of the Federal Poverty Level may get help with monthly premium costs and reduced out-of-pocket costs on insurance purchased through the marketplace. Please be aware that if you have access to affordable employer based coverage that provides at least the coverage of a "bronze" plan sold on the marketplace, you won't be able to get cost assistance on the exchange.

Facts, facts, facts. Is that all you got?

Unfortunately, "it is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into." Having the facts on your side won't convince people emotionally dependent on the idea that the U.S. is a failure of a nation that can't possibly do what all other advanced nations can do that they're wrong. It won't convince people emotionally dependent on the idea that tribal alliance demands that they oppose to their last breath everything their opponents support that they're wrong. It won't convince retards who claim adherence to the idiocy that taxation is theft that they're wrong.

Applying facts and electroshock therapy is a far more potent combination than facts alone.

"the idiocy that taxation is theft" yawrp yawrp yawrp.

You love to trot that out, but not once have you come up with a reason why taxation is anything else. It's somebody taking what you earned through a combination of convincing you that you owe it to them (for what?) and the threat of throwing you in a cage if you don't comply.

I continue to be amused by those who cling to the delusional vision of ObamaCare as a divine, flawless feast of mana sent by Lord Obama, Hallowed Be His Name.

ObamaCare the law is a monstrosity that not even Obama himself has been able to defend in its entirety.

You must post on a lot of other message boards.


ObamaCare Myth: The ObamaCare Website Doesn't Work

Sometimes it feels like the ObamaCare myth about technical issues with the website is spread to create news stories. Although we get many letters from readers noting issues with the early stages of health insurance marketplaces, we get far more success stories about folks signing up.

Healthcare.gov has had some technical issues, so not everyone who has signed up and enrolled has had a smooth ride. However, many Americans have used the site successfully and did everything from apply to enroll in a plan in less than 15 minutes. Many Americans report better deals and better plans, while some report that their options weren't as affordable.

In State's that set up their own exchanges you can simply sign up and not worry about it, if your State didn't then give healthcare.gov a shot. You can also sign up for the marketplace by mailing in an online application (read these instructions first), get in person help, or call the 24/7 helpline (800) 318-2596. Learn more about other ways to sign up for health insurance.

Since December 20th, 2013 the number of Americans reporting issues with the site has decreased dramatically and over a million Americans enrolled in a new private insurance plan that would start by January 1st, 2014. That number doesn't include sign-ups from State based exchanges or Medicaid.

Me too. I'd much rather have single payer.

So would everyone here who's in favor of the current plan as a step in the process of reform. No one but Flashy has said what Flashy said.

Funny, but I've NEVER encountered anyone on the Left who actually believes any of that. The only folks I've encountered who believe that nonsense are Conservatards who've stupidly bought into strawmen of their own creation.

In a rare event, I agree, you dimwits don't see him that way. You're more like zombified couch potatoes mesmerized by Vince Offer peddling the Shamwow. But in your cases, it's more like Vince-arack Oboffer peddling the Scamwow.

ObamaCare Myth: I Don't Have Insurance So I Owe a Fee

First off, the fee for not enrolling in a plan in 2014 is a per month fee. You owe a fee for each month you aren't enrolled in a plan. You are allowed up to three months in a row without coverage in 2014 due to a "coverage gap" exemption, so if you plan on keeping your plan you technically have until April 1st, 2014 until the fee for not having insurance will kick in. Even then it is your individual responsibility to pay your fee on your year end federal income taxes.

Over 20 million Americans will be exempt from the mandate to obtain insurance in 2014. Reasons for exemption include a basic plan costing more than 8% of your family income and having your plan canceled due to the Affordable Care Act. Learn more about ObamaCare exemptions.

Does poor Rick really think that copying & pasting official government propaganda is the same as analysis? Cause that's all I see her doing in this thread.

Sadly, if you want a much more succinct deconstruction of ObamaCare, find the video of Jimmy Kimmel's total evisceration of the law from a few months ago.

ObamaCare Myth: You Will Go to Jail If You Don't Pay the Fee for Not Buying Health Insurance

The only way for the IRS to collect the fee for not having health insurance, if you choose not to pay it, is for them to withhold the money you would get back from the IRS after filing your income tax returns. The IRS cannot enforce the Individual Shared Responsibility provision (the one that says you have to obtain health insurance or pay a fee) with jail time, liens, or any other of typical methods of collection.

This is also a description of paying for goods or services. In fact, it's a description of having to pay anything, anytime, for any reason.

I thus conclude that to you, "theft" is merely a synonym for "payment."

When was the last time you went to the grocery store and said to yourself, "Well, I'd better buy this mayonnaise. If I don't, I'll end up in prison!"? Seriously, that's... no. Nobody thinks that.

Guess what eventually happens to you if you don't pay taxes? The two are not remotely comparable, and I know you're smarter than to believe that they are for even a second. What exactly is your game here?

YES!!!! SAWWWWK EEEET OBAAAMAAAAA!!!!!

SAAAAAWWWWW-HAWWW-HAWW-HAWKK EEEETT!!! You fuckin' drone-murdering, military-policing, waterboarding, bank bailing, e-mail reading, porno-scanning, savage fuuuuuucks!!!
Hate you!!! Hate you!!! Haaaaate yooooouuu!!!!!!!

I've extracted the only information I care about from this thread.

Garamet, Castle, go back to your fight.

Here's shiny new chainsaws.

Have at it.

I own a rental property. Every month I steal from the tenant!

Glad to see my semi-monthly visit to this thread does not disappoint. Castle and the rest of the drooling idiot brigade have become extremely more desperate. I guess the fact that ACA actually worked as intended leaves them without much to say other than "I HATE!!!!!"

So long as I'm not being murdered by our fascist police state, I don't care.

I don't want to live on this horrible planet much past 60, but I want to go out on my own terms, and definitely not with some Nazi's dirty hands on me.

Heh. That's what my brother said until he turned 50. He got really quiet after that.


ObamaCare Myth: The ObamaCare Website Cost a Billion Dollars

You may have heard the ObamaCare website cost anywhere from 100 million to a billion dollars. This is because depending on what costs you include you'll get wildly different figures. The actual cost of the website itself is closer to the 100 million dollar figure and is reported as low as 68 million. See this article for more information: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/24/the-myth-of-the-634-million-obamacare-website/196585

Eh, we'll see.

At least "shivved in prison", is off the table at last.

Yep, they've now given up on any attempts to convince anyone that Obamacare will ruin the economy, or any such nonsense. They're just spewing their hatred because they hate Obama and in their minds that's all they need. It won't convince anyone else, but there's plenty who will not, to coin a phrase, be reasoned out of a belief they were not reasoned into. (Thank you, Liet)

ObamaCare Myth: The Website Isn't Secure

While valid concerns the security of the ObamaCare website have been voiced, there has been a lot of rhetoric coming from opponents of the law who wish to scare people off from using the marketplace. This tactic is meant to deter those who would get a better deal on health insurance and thus perhaps see the law in a more favorable light and to dissuade people from using the site hindering the success of the program by keeping sign-ups low. We have done extensive research and can't find any valid security concerns beyond those addressed on our Obamacare Website Update page. We urge you to ignore the rhetoric and feel secure in signing up for your State's marketplace. http://www.factcheck.org/2013/12/eric-cantors-security-scare/

Secure, shmecure, now that they can't send me to the pokey to be shivved in prison, I ain't going near that damned thing.

I haven't been this relieved since I made it safely out of war draft ages.

The government has no use for me, be it as fodder, nor drone, nor lackey.

*Hands behind head, kicks up feet, stretches*
Ahhhhh.

They didn't tell you about the cooties, did they?



ObamaCare Myth: Congress Is Exempt from ObamaCare

The idea that Congress is exempt form the Affordable Care Act is a myth. Congress and their staff have work based insurance, thus they should be able to stay on their current plan. However an amendment to bill before it became law said they must use health insurance marketplace. They will use the marketplace, but since their staffers, making as little as $30,000 can't get subsidies through the marketplace (they have access to employer based coverage) their employer (the Government) is allowed to cover part of the cost of their premiums. Since all members of Congress have been well aware of this since 2010, any other claim is a willful misrepresentation of the truth.