Cancel Culture Doesn't Exist

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  1. Diacanu

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    You don't think when he paints a picture of some bullshit scenario of a trans-woman who looks like fuckin' Hulk Hogan breaking a cis woman's skull open, that transphobes don't hear that shit, and cheer?
    And that some of those transphobic muthafuckas aren't wearing a suit and tie, and drafting legislation?
    Boy, do you live in fucking Candyland.
    You must sleep like a fucking baby.
     
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  2. Diacanu

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    Sliding?
    Man, his head went under the mud like Artax the horse in "Neverending Story".
     
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    I'll take your word for it. I've never seen the movie. I was a bit older than the target demographic when it was released. Should I make the obvious joke that this was well before FF was born or should I let it slide?
    [​IMG]
     
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    they can be a type of jazz depending on the approach and talent level. Ellington was a great composer no doubt. He influenced a lot of greats. I have a Thelonious Monk piano trio format CD where they play all Ellington songs. And Charles Mingus was a huge Ellington fan and a lot of his compositions were straight up Ellington influenced. Chick Webb was insanely talented considering his physical liabilities of being a hump backed midget - never easy on a drummer obviously. He needed specialized drum sets but nothing stopped him from tearing it up!
     
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    No. It's one of the many styles of jazz. Period.
     
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    No, endorsing a political candidate is actually cooking advice. Obviously.
     
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    Fuck kid!

    You really got to learn to quit when you’re behind.

    :jayzus:
     
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    I have listened to a few of rogan's works, and he does give recommendations. I will give him the credit that he actually does support his reasoning pretty well for a bubble. He does not frame it as advice, but he does give advice. He does not flat out say "you should do this" as far as I have heard. but he clearly puts his biases and opinions out there as what a person should be thinking. He does support that with his reasoning.

    I will even give him that he expresses a certain ideal of analysis and thinking about things that he portrays as cool or good. The problem is he really does not fully call someone out for being an idiot unless he knows his audience already dislikes them. I have watched him humiliate Dave Rubin with some really good stuff, but he never does the finishing blow to Dave that should be said. It is great when you present the proper thinking to deal with a grifter, but when you keep allowing the grift to persists you are complicit with the grift. Then I have to wonder how much a grifter you actually are.

    Joe wants to say he talks hard, and sometimes he does, but there are other times he will completely let some idiot off the hook because of certain reasons. This is why joe sucks.
     
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    FWIW, I'll admit that many of the Nazi comparisons before 2016 and extremely overblown. Shit like "Feminazi" "grammar Nazi" and comparison every bad thing in the world to the what Nazis did was at very best extremely thoughtless towards Jewish people, many of whom lost entire branches of their families. Bush wasn't Hitler. He was never even close.

    Having rioters raid the captiol because the vote wasn't certified the way they felt it should be, after years of actual Nazis marching to chant "Jews will not replace us" and at least one high profile synagogue shooting for ever year Trump was in office, OTOH? I think the comparison is a bit more apt. :shrug:
     
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    There is somewhat of a truth regarding some of that. Not every person in the modern trans grouping goes down the road of hormone therapy, and some do not go at the times when it is needed to keep certain gender characteristics from forming. From an actual safety standpoint the times and progress of a person under HRT would matter for where they are competing in contact sports.

    Let us say you have a wrestler who has grown up as a male until graduation from high school and then decides to transition. That person may still want to participate in wrestling. That may have been a great part of that person's life they want to continue. You cannot let them go into college women's wrestling. They might actually breaks some bones or injure the women based on the muscle they attained before they started hormone treatments. OTOH if you had the same wrestler start at puberty with testosterone blockers and female hormone therapy they would be best in a female wrestling team because they might be in danger of more serious injury wrestling beefed up men.

    I get the idiots are going to idiot. Even though idiots would take that sentiment to a bad place, we should be aware of the safety of contact sport athletes. In the case of trans people we would have to evaluate their present state and history for the purposes of their safety and the safety of other competitors.
     
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    Exactly.
    @oldfella1962, your assertion is akin to saying Minimalism and Marches aren't subgenres of Classical.
    Hell, even John Cage's music is a subgenre of Classical. Now listen to 4'33" before replying. You can listen to your favourite swing band perform it if you like :diacanu:
     
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    :wub: me some Minimalism.

    Been a Gorecki fan since I found some on an FTP mp3 site back in... 98/99. Didn’t know what it was, just that I liked it.

    Then BSG introduced me to Philip Glass. Fuck Solo Piano is a great album.

    Recently stumbled upon Erik Satie and I’m really enjoying exploring his stuff.
     
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    You might like John Adams Nixon in China or Einstein on the Beach.
     
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    Well I guess technically it is then. That said it's not not my favorite style by a long shot, but that's just me.
     
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    This is sounding a lot like "Inconvenient people and inconvenient facts must be smothered, or they might indirectly influence towards the wrong political outcomes."

    Facepalm! Fantasy world! :dayton:
     
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    At least when I make up what people say, I have them eat poop while crying or something cute and fun like that.
    Your stuff is paranoid bug-shittery out of a John Birch Society pamphlet.
    To quote King Arthur "you make me sad".

    If only I could hit both buttons.
     
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    :brood:
    Did you or did you not just insinuate some kind of similar mindset between Joe Rogan and people behind "anti-trans legislation"?
     
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    Don't know Joe Rogan (or Fallon Fox), but Joe would seem to be behind anti-trans legislation.

     
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    So, nice sample of "inconvenient facts" from the wise sage there.
    :rolleyes:
     
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    No "technically" about it.

    Personally, I can't stand Dixieland jazz. My favorite style is B3 jazz.
     
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    Is this some astromech skiffling with his beeps and boops in a shady Nar Shaddaa establishment?
     
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    That's all you've got? A selective edit to cherrypick sone mildly insensitive comments? Weak.
     
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    No one's ever gonna call you a woman in pants, and then kill you in the parking lot over the idea.
    I mean, you could laugh off the former, but not if it's backed up by the latter.
    That privilege blanket must be warm and soft and snuggly, huh?
     
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    Then stop.
     
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    I'm catching up on this thread so forgive me if this has been addressed earlier.


    Obama was criticized about being indiscriminate with drone strikes. Yes, he got some terrorist but it seems there were a lot more innocents killed as well.


    The latest time he was so-called "canceled" was when he criticized activist for using the term "defund the police."
     
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    lmao of course @Uncle Albert is tripping over his dick to defend Joe Rogan, the guy who got famous for making people drink donkey semen, eat horse anus, and jump off buildings; and also happens to have repeatedly used the N-word on his podcast which I'm sure is unrelated to @Uncle Albert's defense of the guy
     
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    Okay, so the Obama drone strikes are a pretty nuanced issue. With Biden ordering a review I think it is worthwhile to look at what actually happened.

    So there are two separate but related elements.

    First is who should do drone strikes. Under Bush it had primarily been the CIA. And they were actually pretty good at identifying targets, assessing collateral damage and making decisions that both maximized threat elimination while minimizing civilian casualties. However legally/Constitutionally speaking they really shouldn’t have been doing that. They were taking a role not assigned to them. Is it okay for the CIA to have their own military as long as it is robots?

    When Obama first came into office he decided that legally/Constitutionally it was the military that should be in charge of drone strikes. However it was known that the military wasn’t nearly as good at identifying targets, assessing collateral damage and making decisions that both maximized threat elimination while minimizing civilian casualties. He accepted that and believed their capabilities would improve.

    At the same time he thought that since he was the one that moved the drone strikes from CIA to Pentagon morally he had to accept the repercussions. So authorization was moved to the National Security Council (Executive) and in many cases he directly signed off on strikes. This also had a side effect of pissing off the Pentagon who felt the Admin was micromanaging the wars.

    So yes, Obama is responsible for increased civilian casualties due to drones (Compared to Bush; Trump made Obama look like a saint later). However I would say it was more naïveté than malice (should have just let the CIA keep doing their thing, let SCOTUS decide constitutionality) and the fact that he believed leaders should be accountable for their decisions.

    Trump on the other hand said ‘I don’t care who does it, just blow up more people and let anyone who wants to pull the trigger pull it.’

    It will be interesting to see where Biden lands. He saw first hand what happened with Obama (and as how the admin progressed some decision making was pushed down a bit). Early indications are that the NSC (who is leading review) is looking at amending Trump’s policy instead of repealing and going back to Obama’s. So we will likely get something in the middle.
     
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    So if I'm not condemning him for this petty bullshit, I'm tacitly supporting murder now? Get directly the fuck outta here with that horse shit.
     
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    Or a past that was so ingrained with racism that it needs a disclaimer.

    I really don't understand the ideals of clinging to traditions of the past when the past was so fucked up.

    The episode that had the added disclaimer to it was the one with Johnny Cash as a guest. He did his performance with a giant confederate rebel flag in the background. In the 140 or so years since the end of the civil war, more that 4,400 black people were straight up MURDERED by lynchings under that flag. Don't give me that bullshit that the flag was co-opted by others who misused it because we all know it was confederate generals like Nathan Bedford Forest who went on to form the Ku Klux Klan in those days. Al of those confederate monuments that seemed to hurt so many people's sensibilities this past summer probably don't even really know what those things were or who the people were. The only thing that seems to matter was that the statues were of white people and they don't want them taken no matter how horrible these people were.

    But you guys love Johnny Cash.


    The founding fathers... They formed a nation that endures to this day and for that, they do deserve some reverence. But I can't help but to understand that when they wrote that all men were created equal, they did not mean my ancestors... Even though that we know from some of their private diaries, some of them understood this at the time. They literally meant MEN. They intentionally excluded women. They left us an amendable document that does not include the right for us to chose our federal leader because I guess they were afraid of the common people? They didn't trust us to know what's best for ourselves? But even after all that, I have some reverence for what they did do. My favorite is Thomas Jefferson, who fought tooth and nail for freedom of religion even before the nation was founded. We know that he was particularly fond of one of his slaves named Sally Hemmings. He fathered a number of kids with her.. and then did not/could not acknowledge them as his own kids... so he enslaved them too. And then he wrote that part about all men being created equal. This is a guy who wrote this:

    Let me ask you... Why do we have this tendency to romanticize the past? What's so dangerous about... just being honest about who these people were and what they did so that people can make up their own minds? There are some reports that MLK cheated on his wife at least once with a woman planted in his office by J. Edgar Hoover. Who cares?
     
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