We're in the news! Two women get married in Iowa, then try to change their name back in Oklahoma. And then this... National news cycle, you're welcome.
I hope they get it. It's about time this petty bullshit stops, and same sex couples who want to live together, to be married, to be recognized by the same states that are willing to recognize other marriages that fall outside the mainstream. There's no real non-religious excuse as to why same sex marriage shouldn't be as legal as heterosexual marriage. The states need to quit kow-towing to the super religious fundamentalists.
That's because it's a myth that it's just conservatives or Republicans who are against gay marriage. Democrats who are against it just don't talk about it or admit it publicly...they just quietly vote no and deny people rights while they march in the parades and play hypocrites.
Don't confuse state level politicians with their national counterparts. Our Oklahoma Democrats are so pro gun they'd make most national Republicans blush.
Agree, plenty of Democrats oppose it, California proves this much. The legal effort in Oklahoma is the final act in this play. As soon as a state's court declares that marriage performed in a different state must be recognized, then marriage equality becomes a de facto recognition in all 50 states.
In Illinois it's mainly black clergy and their congregations (who invariably vote Democrat) standing in the way of gay marriage, though we've had civil unions since 2011.
Since we're talking about legislators, I don't think they can exactly vote privately ... not in the context being referred to here anyway.
While I agree there certainly are anti-equal rights Democrats, I highly doubt they are the kind to march in equality parades.
Here's something I've always wondered. When the gays get their constitutional right to have their marriage licenses recognized in all states (14th Amendment + Full Faith and Credit), will that mean I'll get my constitutional right to have my concealed carry license recognized in all states (2nd Amendment + Full Faith and Credit)?
Full faith and credit is something I often have trouble figuring out. OK, every state will honor my driver's license. Any public university in the country will recognize my high school diploma. But are they required to, or is it something they just do? I can't take marijuana from a state where it's legal and smoke it in a state where it's not... is a state of being, such as being licensed to drive or being a high school graduate or being married, recognized, while an action like smoking pot is not? But then, driving is an action...
A lot of my friends are extreme-left liberals "in real life" and I actually know a couple who are that hypocritical because they don't want our other friends to know that they are not for them having equal rights. They will march and "support" our gay friends publicly and in parades and protests but then whisper to the more conservative people in our circle that they don't think they should get married and vote accordingly. It makes me glad I don't see them much anymore. Still, I'm sure it's not an extremely large population thankfully and more and more conservatives are becoming more socially liberal all the time. Equal rights for gays and Trans are only a matter of time now. It's pretty much inevitable at this point.
It's not that I'm not sympathetic, but I can't help but LMAO at this. This is almost as rich as the following: Imagine that the gay cowboys from "Brokeback Mountain" had a scene where they walk into a Kentucky church and one of them says "Uh, can we get us a marriage license here?" How many of you seriously wouldn't cackle and go WTF!?! To me, it's the same thing.
I wouldn't laugh, I'd say "Yeah, let's see if we can get you one." I can't wait until Ohio legalizes same sex marriage. I'm going to be a very busy man.
If she's legally changed her name then shouldn't that be all that matters as far as a drivers license is concerned?
They mention in the article that it's a matter of time and money, so I'm guessing the court order hasn't gone through yet. Personally, if it was me, I'd have left her with the ID instead of running out after her.
... Does this have some secret meaning I've missed because it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.
if i understand correctly, a name change for a woman because she got married is sort of an assumed rubber stamp thing, you don't even need to get a court to say "yes, name changed" All other sorts of name changes do. And THAT is the inequality. It only manifests here since they don't recognize the legitimacy of the marriage ... to top it off, there was a judge in Oklahoma last year who turned down a transwoman seeking a legal name change (which is supposed to be nothing more than a mildly costly formality unless you are found to be in the act of fraud or something) and specifically said that his reason for doing so was the immorality of a gender change. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/30/judge-cites-bible-to-deny-name-change-to-transgender-woman/
No, but a minister or priest holds in trust the authority to issue marriages in lieu of a judge or court officer. Ledger and Gyllenhaal probably have to pay the court costs on top of it though. Please don't insult me by being obtuse. You know what I meant. They'd get looks at the courthouse too.
I'd say "Shouldn't they wait till their respective divorces come through?" But that's just me. Picky Plot Points R Us.
Then you are somebody down that way who either places principle or money over emotion (I would hope the former), which is a breath of fresh air which I commend. It seems the Rocky mountain states and the Southern states tend to have a bad reputation when it comes to social freedoms. It's not always true, but it's a reputation, much like the Long Islanders are reputed to be a bunch of snobs by everybody else. Some bad apples, if tossed around in the same barrel long enough make the whole damned batch look bad. It's like Wyoming being talked about as an anti-gay state because of the Laramie incident. Yes, like every other state, it has its haters, but I've been in WY before and I never felt threatened. Most of those people are just happy to see someone who isn't a neighbor in their towns. They were very warm and polite; I never once felt threatened. I even paid for breakfast with the rainbow prepaid card my sister gave me for Christmas because she thought it was "cute." I thanked her, but told her I never wanted to see that many different colors in one place for the rest of my life. Nature's rainbows are pretty. When we make them, I'm sorry ours are just tacky.
Did you watch it? I don't know, I didn't watch the whole thing. LOL. I saw bits and pieces on HBO. I saw one of the trailers, the beginning, I saw Anne Hathaway riding a bull or some animal, and I saw the ending.
Yup. Spoiler alert: One of them was in a hetero marriage at the start of the relationship. The other got married for cover midway through the movie. Good showcase for both actors, BTW. It's a star-crossed love story, not the porn-fest those who haven't seen it seem to think it is.
The clue was in the smilie Turkey is making a metaphorical reference to the idea that your anecdote isn't backed by any citable source, as in the magazines stored in Dayton's dad's hen house.
That's what my ex said. He said there were only like 4 gay scenes in the movie and only one was sexual. RL story why I didn't see it: The two of us were going to watch it at some point, but before we could do that I "caught him" cheating so I opened the dresser while they were still in bed and came back with a bottle of open red wine and ruined his cashmere sweaters, re-corked it, pitched it at them like I was Starbuck from RM's BSG and said "enjoy fellas," and smiled before leaving. Hey, they might have been thirsty afterwards for all I know. That son of bitch DID have a stamina. I mean it's no wonder he didn't hear me come in; when he plows the garden, he goes to town! I miss his jackhammer, but I don't share my toys. Besides, once a cheat, always a cheat.
