So nothing about this? Feds engage in cattle rustling, assault, in Nevada

I saw on the teevee that that Clive Bundy fella and his terrorist militia done killed a bunch of incubator babies and are developin WMDs.

Why not? This "indefensible" position actually requires very little effort to defend it, since all you seem capable of doing is shaking your little pompoms for the Feds. Maybe they'll give you a pat on the head and a "Good boy!"

I would have preferred, and still do, for our government to know its place.

Funny that I never got to mentioning which name that account goes by...

Clive Bundy is actually the Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Sidious and is orchestrating this whole incident in order to start a civil war. His apprentice Count Dooku built up an Army of Women Human Shields that will follow orders blindly.

Gotta love when the Canadian is in here in lock (goose) step with the filthy Hun defending the government's Brownshirts.

Whatever it is I'm shaking my pom poms for, it sure beats the hell out of shaking Pom poms for using women as human shields. Every day of the week. Question, are you wearing a turban and eating a lot of humus these days? Or making the daughter you never see wear a burka?

Nah, I think you wanted the Feds to open up fire on these people. You're already ok with human shields, it's not that much of a stretch.

Funny that a writer can't recognize a sentence in the form of a question.

I know that's what you do though, try and "subtly" get people in trouble, like you're still in high school. Very mature.

Indeed not. The libertarians wanted them to be human shields, but they failed.

Again, I don't think the women agreed at all; we have no reports of women being used as human shields. We only have the report of some idiotic cowards intending to use them in that way, but the Feds didn't go along with their idiotic scenario, and I suspect that neither did the women, so the cowardly idiots didn't get their way.

If that's all you've got left, you're finished.

Wanted them to be human shields against what? And on what basis do you assume that the women involved weren't the ones who came up with the idea?

Why does the fact that this was a mere suggestion and not a plan that was actually carried out elude them?
IOW, there were no human shields.
ETA: It's amazing that with all of the confusion and all the different stories, somehow clear fact are being reported by the ever vigilant and accurate news media. It also amazes me how even more clear facts are coming from the I'm okay with cold blooded murder by Feds crowd.

Interesting read. I find this one pretty interesting, too.

You know, as someone of Native ancestry, I can't help but see all the ways the indigenous people of this continent have been screwed by the US government pretty much from the time it's existed up through modern day. I've also noted the way the US government and its various agencies will break the law or their own stated rules of conduct to screw people it considers threats or troublemakers, even if they are fellow white people. It's also somewhat darkly amusing that for all the idolization by white liberals of some idealized fantasy version of Natives (see Dances with Wolves and Avatar for examples), they still insist on backing the US government that has repeatedly screwed over the Natives and continues to do so to this day, because in their eyes, the government can do no wrong, apparently.

Whether or not you're lying, that's

Wow, you continue to prove what a racist you are.

Whether or not you're lying. You. Someone who thinks that professing the "race card" is the worst thing a person can do. If you think that your claim to be racially entitled is something someone should take seriously, that's funny. Have a cookie, you racist piece of shit.

I don't expect you to understand, since you're a racist and all, but it's not an expression of entitlement, but of experience and knowledge. And you really ought not talk too much about cookies,

The level of illogic in this post is staggering.

When evaluating the morality of the protesters using human shields, the important factor is what THEY believed would happen, whether they were right or not.

Example: Let's say your Uncle Ernie volunteers to babysit my kids. I am convinced that Uncle Ernie is a child molester. He's actually NOT, but I think he is. What would it say about me if I let him babysit my kids?

You were done the minute you jumped on the human shield bandwagon.

You've gone from harmless fool to total scumbag.

Their deluded minds?

OMGs, Federal Farmer thinks the Boston Massacre was perpetrated by the Federal Government!

No I don't, I didn't name a specific government, I said the government. Any government will do because all governments are corrupt and all governments have committed similar acts. What's even more frightening is that the US government is a mirror image of the British empire on so many levels. We've become the very leviathan that we broke free from. Maybe it's time for another revolution.

Yep, figured you had no ability to distinguish one government from the next. You are afraid of the g-word, so it is evil, no questions asked.

Another hypothetical question dumped on top of a hypothetical situation.

Let's try this: The Bundy Ranch vs. the Feds. Let's say that the plan to use "human shields" is carried out. We have a Mexican standoff and on one side are the Feds the other side, the protesters with women in front. The Feds open fire as the sheriff predicted and a gun fight breaks out. Who are the victims here? Who are the bad guys? And who are to blame.

Now a real life scenario: A group of people who have been run off from their land by US government agencies, armed troops, corrupt government policies and and forced into a small patch of land that barely sustains them are forced to be disarmed because some bureaucrat in DC decreed it so. Federal troops go in with an army of men to carry out the disarmament. A group of protesters arrive to support their kind and begin a strange ritual that freaks out the federal troops. The troops then misinterprets actions of one of the protestors or a simple act of miscommunication occurs and the federal troops fire upon unarmed innocent people. The protestors then fire back and a gun fight breaks out that results in a total massacre by federal troops.

In that scenario, who are the victims, who are the bad guys? Who are at fault?

And if you haven't figured it out by now, that was the Wounded Knee massacre of 1890. It was a real life incident, not a hypothetical one involving "human shields".

And you're afraid to answer any of the several questions I've posed throughout this entire thread. In fact, nobody on the left can because it would question their reality and destroy their worldview. If my questions were answered honestly, then you would come to the logical conclusion that the feds are wrong in this whole situation.

See, if Mack's wife had made the announcement that she was willing to stand by her man - or, in this case, in front of him - that would be a whole 'nother story.

Doesn't fucking matter. If the feds were willing to shoot them, then the feds are in the wrong.

Sez the guy who claimed he not only had a wife, but that she earned 3.5x what he did.

Because it's not as if women should be allowed to speak for themselves, much less vote or own property or do anything much except stay in the kitchen, right?

Dear Diary,

I'm on Page 7 of this thread. It's been a predictable ride so far, and I hope it picks up in interest soon.

Sincerely,
mburtonk

But they weren't, so they aren't.

The only aspect of your hypothetical scenario that corresponds to reality is the ranchers' idea to use women as human shields. Everyone else's presumed fault only happens in the ranchers' imagination. It is the ranchers' guilt that is the only real part of this scenario.

[FF]B-but don't you see? The feds made those brave, patriotic ranchers threaten to put their women and children at the front! It's all their fault! [/]

Your questions are premised on something that we don't believe would happen. In fact, the opportunity for it to happen came along, and the feds did not open fire. Your questions are irrelevant outside of your fantasy world.