star trek:into darkness (WARNING: SPOILERS as of 4/23/13)

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Couldn't n00blet abrams at least have called it Delta Bega instead? Or even Delta Sega (tacky I know, but LESS tacky than beestee boyz, nokia, other crap, etc). The "nod" would STILL be obvious.

Delta Vega?!?!

What a n00b!

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Wasn't there a Flight Officer Harrison from the SS Beagle who was killed in the gladiatorial games in "Bread and Circuses?" Perhaps he's back from the dead

:zombiefalldown:

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Could it be a nod to Bashir?

Remember he was genetically altered and they had to hide that fact.

Perhaps this guy was a Star Fleet experiment gone wrong. Perhaps after encountering aliens and Klingon's in particular they tried to make some people stronger. They tried to cover it up by getting rid of him, thought they did, but now find out they were wrong.

Maybe Weller's character is the one who finds this guy and brings him back.

We don't know the exact date they outlawed genetic engineering.

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Khan without BEING Khan.

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Bingo! Bullseye. Probably. Having Khan-without-him-REALLY-being-Khan (Cucumberbatch's alleged baddy character) would be the PERFECT way for abarms & co. to have their cake & eat it too while simultaneously saving face.

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I've only made that point about 40 times in these conversations.

I can't predict the details BUT something like this:

It is established throughout all versions of the Trekverse to date that genetic engineering to produce"supermen" exists, and was used both before and after first contact and employed by agents of the Federation. in essence their is a direct line of connection between Khan and Bashir.

If JJ integrates that bit of history into his version (and since it well predates Nero's intervention there is no reason not to) then it's easy-squeezy to have Harrison be some sort of augment.

He could be a contemporary of Khans who was preserved in "stasis" since the Eugenics Wars

He could be a contemporary of Khans who was aboard the botany Bay and the plot would suggest that that ship was found earlier, by a different ship, and for whatever reason Harrison was the one who came out alive instead of Khan

he could bea "Section 31" (identified or implied) project gone wrong...

there are surely a dozen other relatively easy plot explanations.

In any case, he's Khan without being Khan.

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^ I wouldn't ANY of that past Abrams & Lindelof, nuB&B!

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I actually don't see ANYTHING wrong with such a plot so long as the story is well told.

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TRUE, but it could STILL be a derived dead horse, even IF it's an AWESOME film.

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FYI UK WFers:

News from TK's STiD Thread is it's being theatrically released in the UK on MAY 9TH!

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26 pages - and even those determined to hate it are banging on the keys like a 12 year old going cold turkey on the ritalin - from this small sample alone I'd say the pre-release marketing has been a success!

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Never got the issue with that, the whole shrill bitching over it's use was pretty pathetic.

I mean, here on Earth we duplicate names all the time, suddenly you're dealing with quadrillions of cubic miles of space, trillions of objects and they're all going to have unique names?

Uh-huh. Only if you want to name everything with some 1000 character code, guid style.

Good luck with that.

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So Delta Vega is the equivalent of Paris, Texas?

I like it. A lot.

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One thing the whole debacle over the reboot shows me as well is just how terribly conservative Trek fans are.

Sci-fi is supposed to be about pushing boundaries, open mind on what may be out there... And Trek, whilst TOS had a remarkable degree of consistency for a show that wasn't planned to be consistent, has always had plenty of continuity issues building up, as well as a tech arc that never quite matched the real worlds in the directions it went*.

If anything the reboot has been too conservative, too pandering to a fandom that hasn't been unified since TMP arrived on the scene. Although I admit, I'd probably have been horrified if they'd gone too far, but the incestuous demand for it to retain ever constricting internal consistency leads to the likes of INS and NEM.

*Faster ships! More techy named torpedoes! Extra nacelles! Right now we've got circuit tattoos (see Peter F Hamilton's Commonwealth Saga for a skiffyverse using advanced versions of those) and cochneal implants that convert vibrations to sound - far more interesting and story-opening that fucking bendy warp drive.

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And like Boston, England.

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There is a Romulus, Oklahoma, that shoud explode nerd heads.

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^ What about ROMULUS, Michigan? Site of many a TreKonvention!

Delta Vega, perhaps the Springfield(s) of the Trekverse(s), is the LEAST offensive thing in & about Jar Jar abarms's star track (2009)

...

IMO!

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Lack of creativity and the assumption that the audience is made up of idiots is what leads to movies like INS and NEM. And frankly it also leads to movies like Abrams Trek. I honestly don't mind the reboot aspect, although I think they should have been more straightforward about it the way BSG was, I just think it was some dumbed down dumb action movie. The fact that it was supposed to be a Star Trek movie is like the little kernel of corn on top of the multi-tiered shit cake that is that movie.

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Yes.
Really, we've got breakthroughs happening so fast that it's hard for one to fully imagine the implications and the doors that are thus opened to creative fiction.

One thing that Star Trek made obvious (though a lot of writers seemed to have missed the point) - it's best to not be specific about any future years your audience is likely to live to see.

If the Eugeinics Wars had been set in 2095 or whatever, every plot point related to them would be much much more solid in the context of the trekverse. As it is, we need mad ret-conning to explain the fact that they didn't actually happen.

On another note, what I've failed to find very much of are writers who both fully embrace the possibilities which are implied by our current tech progress, and at the same time tell a compelling story.

Am I the only one that finds most modern SF kinda sucks? or are my tastes just too narrow?

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No. You're right. Most of modern sci-fi sucks.

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Moon was good, but not great. District 9 was ok but vastly over-rated.

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Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Cowboy Bebop...

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Your search parameters are too narrow.

Fuck the top 5 of the multiplexes, go to Amazon, look up something you liked in the past, and spend the next couple hours or so clicking "people who liked this also bought...", and branch out, and out, and out.

That's what I had to do with horror.
Theater movies are all this found-footage jump-scare ghost shit for morons.

There's a whole underground straight to video scene that's as edgy and imaginative as the 70's/80's ever were.

I figure it must be that way for SF too.
Gotta be.

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It keeps bringing up Trek, Diacanu. I have to run a search to find Farscape or B5. I did was 'Safety Not Guaranteed' the other day on Netflix. Nice little time travel movie, watch it.

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I saw that last week too!

I was going to watch the one documentary about porn stars lives after they drop out of porn...but my wife wasn't as interested as I.

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Thats actually pretty good. My wife finished it after i fell asleep, she said it got pretty sad.

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Good movies but not great.

We were talking about sci-fi, not crappy kiddie cartoons that try to be cool by calling themselves "anime".

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Cartoons. They don't count. Next.

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Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop were some good science-fiction, but they're pretty old.

I can't really think of a recent sci-fi movie in recent years that really stood out. Star Trek, Super 8, Inception, Moon, District 9, and Wall-E were all good but I don't think I've ever re-watched them like I have with other sci-fi movies.

Looking at the list of sci-fi films coming out this year, the list mostly consists of sequels or films based on previous works (comics, novels, and reboots).