Star Trek: Starfleet Academy.

1994-1996 was the peak of the golden age of Trek, and even then, only 2 of the 3 TNG-era shows were ever on at a time.
We're in the mutherfucking platinum age.


And DS9 haters were whinier little bitches than the Kurtzman haters could ever dream of being.
They ran their own whole paper magazines.
Those magazines got used as birdcage liners, and fire starters, and the people who killed the trees for them now pretend they always loved Ds9.


So, living through that, I don't take the Kurtzman haters all that seriously.

I'm sure they're devastated.

You jest, but the people that hate some particular iteration of Star Trek really do seem to get angry and upset whenever other people dare to enjoy something they dislike.

In fairness to S31, Yeoh's movie career took off like a rocket--deservedly so and it was long overdue, but that kept her busy for a hot minute.

Nearly everyone they'd cast for this show except Tilly could be new, fresh-faced actors for cheap. I doubt it's gonna take longer than two years to get this going.

A) If you want to continue holding that against the show, that's a you problem but you'd have never gotten the last Best Trek Show Since DS9 Was Cancelled™ that was SNW without it, so die mad since I'm sure you'll hate watch anyway.

B) You have absolutely nothing but speculation to go off of with that claim

C) What Doc said in post #29:

Like, not one streaming show on any platform greenlighted after 2016 gets more than five seasons, so calling Discovery a "failure" is like screaming at the sky for being blue.

FFS, ENT was on the bubble for the chopping block almost from day damn one and Berman was unceremoniously dismissed from the franchise the day it ended. No one expected that show to end before 2008, but it was not only sacked but the franchise was largely dead except a few lackluster movies for a decade afterwards.

THAT was a failure.

Shout out to our dearly departed @$corp and pals who thought it was funny to shit on ENT fans by spreading a rumor about Jolene Blalock quitting the show just to shit on that fanbase because they thought the show shouldn't exist.

Also shout out to that one guy spent a solid four years hate watching ENT for the purpose of nitpicking the show to death and accused the Save Enterprise kickstarter-before-Kickstarer-existed campaign of committing fraud because he couldn't conceive of other fans loving the show that he hated (although to his credit, he's been consistent in his hate of everything past VOY, so props for being consistent)

I'm the rare millennial for whom TNG wasn't my entire personality and never put the franchise on a pedestal (I mean, my first fanfic I ever wrote was the VOY cast talking like South Park characters and I had not one but TWO fics where Trek characters were on the Jerry Springer show ), and after the past two months, I'm more glad than ever ENT was my first Trek show. Not because it was great--it definitely was not that--but apart from five moonbat shippers, we largely were there to support one another and bullied the hell out of basement dwellers who had nothing constructive to add until they were turned into a joke or left.

Really wish we could get back to that.

You better not be referring to JJ's AwesomeTrek films as "lacklustre", or we're going to have issues.

Harral. Agreed that was a good episode and he was a good character, but hopefully Tilly isn't part of this new series.

Don't get the love for that character.

She's a redhead with big tiddies. What's not to love?

I want them to find a way to keep Kovich(sp?) coming around if they do this.


Also, about Enterprise - while I have NO brief for Berman, in fairness, that whole network merger thing was poison to anything serious they had going at the time anyway, particularly if it had a relatively big budget. It's been widely reported that the new management wanted very cheap programing.

Almost none of the issues with Enterprise IMO came down to money directly or poor special effects.

Rather, they mostly came down to:
1. TPTB thinking that the reason why the spinoffs were not as popular as TOS and TNG meant that they needed to do more to emulate TOS/TNG without the same lightning-in-a-bottle of the writing staffs or actors for those shows
2. The show's creative staff simply did not believe in the premise of doing a show about the founding of the Federation or the ramifications that came with it, or at least, didn't think it through well enough
3. The Temporal Cold War was just a bad idea
4. There was the tension to try to do SEXY Trek/not your father's Star Trek that didn't work out
5. After basically 20 years of doing Star Trek, TPTB seemed creatively on fumes.

I’ll give Rick Berman credit for standing up to the higher ups when they wanted to have boy bands on the show.

Definitely. As a complete n00b to the franchise, I didn't pick up on how much it cribbed off those shows without attempting to do anything new--which even PIC tried to its credit--but I can only imagine how tedious it was for all of you after watching virtually the same show with different set dressing for 15 years.

I'll give Berman credit for this: he did want the first season to explore the dynamics of Earth before zooming off into space. The studio shot that down and refused to even consider the gap year after VOY he and Braga very clearly needed to work through the concepts & apparently got told they'd find someone else if he didn't.

ENT was doomed out the gate with UPN.

Another brilliant studio mandate and yeah, I found that to be a slog even before I knew it was TIIC's way to keep the door to TNG-era crossovers possible.

Thank god Coto threw that out the minute he took over.

Easily one of the more infamous blunders, although I can't say the trailers didn't pique my interest somewhat about why a half naked Vulcan was rubbing gel on a dude.

Still, even the teenage boys I discussed Trek with found the very obvious pandering attempts to be cringe.

I'll give them half a point for objectifying the dudes nearly as badly as the women, however.

Jammer had a line in his ANISB review that this didn't feel so much like a 2nd season as much as the 9th season of an aging dinosaur. With the hindsight of much better Trek, past and present, I don't even get the benefit of nostalgia to look back fondly on that series.

Berman never should've been anywhere near this franchise to begin with and Braga, while not entirely inept as a creator, was well outside of his comfort zone with character writing....which is where this franchise excels at.