Trump bans Transgendered in military.

as for joining the military "just to get free X,Y or X" there are many people who join (or keep reenlisting) just so they or their spouse can have free or low cost medical care for their growing family.
Tax payers have spent many thousands of dollars to keep me and mine in top-notch health - and I do not take that lightly, thus I keep myself strong and healthy so I can continue serving my country and the military in my government contracting work to the best of my ability - and I won't drain your tax dollars by being a chronic boozer or druggie or obese or a smoker or any of these things that cost insane amounts of money to treat but are preventable.

My insurance covered my root canal back in 2001.

It was agony. Mainly because I had played football with some of the guys from work the day before and I took a fearsome beating. Then having to sit in a dental chair for such a long time with all those bruises and strains was very terrible.

How can I explain to you a thing that basically doesn't happen?

ACTUAL trans people are, as the docs say, persistent, consistent, and insistent in their identity.
Among those, some react to the social pressure applied to trans people by reversing course to try and force themselves to comply with expectations - but they do not stop being trans, they simply are not strong enough to resist the pressure to conform (eventually they will try again or attempt to take their own life)

Those who play at it and then go on about their lives were never trans in the first place, much like the so-called "college lesbian" phenomena.

No. False claim propagated by Pharisees based on intentionally misstating some data and poorly conducting studies. The most commonly cited claim originates with Dr. Kenneth Zucker of Toronto. Zucker and others conducted a study of gender non-conforming kids (not those who specifically professed to identify with the other sex insistently, just generally deviating from "typical" expectations for male/female behavior. He then noted that of those, around 80% desisted and reverted to gender-typical behavior by puberty. But since he did not use specifically trans identifying kids exclusively, his "study" is meaningless in terms of trans desistance.

Also, even Zucker states that if a child reaches puberty and still professes to be trans, THAT child will never desist.

So no - even the guy that Pharisees use to prop up their bigotry is not saying that teens (or later) change their minds.

Stop buying the bullshit Paul McHugh is shoveling, even his own employers have disavowed him.

if you are this supposedly disinterested and unbiased observer, why do you insert her a username that I have not used on this or any site in 8 years? What purpose does this serve if not to troll? Are you channeling Flashy? Do you do this with any other poster with a longstanding name change? Methinks you give your biases away.

Genital Reconstruction Surgery is not performed on those who have not reached the age of majority for medical decisions. How cool would it be if you actually knew what the fuck you were talking about BEFORE posting?

Mutilate?
Again, your bigotry is showing.

Dinner is fine with the Leelah Alcorn outcome.

let me reassure your little taxpayer heart.

The high end estimate of cost is $8.4 million
There are around 320,000,000 Americans

That means if the cost is distributed evenly to all Americans, it costs each of us THREE CENTS A YEAR to provide this coverage.

I would suggest you got bigger fish to try taxpayer.

what would you like to know?

Gender dysphoria is the mental and emotional REACTION to being trans (analogous to one becoming paralyzed and reacting by becoming depressed - depression is not paralysis or vice versa)

The universally agreed upon treatment (among trained educated and qualified treating professionals) for dysphoria - is transition. The more the subject aligns themselves physically and in social role with their identified gender, the more dysphoria decreases.

Assholes like you, of course, object and prefer that dysphoric people continue to suffer and if, per chance, they happen to give up and eat a bullet then no great loss, right?

They can eat a dick AFAIC.

You could give classes on that, I'm betting.

Yeah, for some it is exactly that.

Not every trans person is so despondent as to take their own life in the absence of GRS, but many are - and the alternative outcome need not be death for a procedure to be medically necessary. if a soldier has a herniated disc, he might per chance muddle through life in considerable pain and not die - and a doctor would conclude that surgery to address the disc would be medically necessary.

To speak from personal experience, while life is BETTER now, marginally so because any marginal change makes things better, life like this is still pain. I won't get all Blue Roomy here, but don't assume that such changes are simple elective indulgences. If I did not have the family in my household to see to, and also did not have the funds to do what needs doing, i can give you a certain guarantee I'd make a date with an exhaust pipe and a rubber hose. I do not continue to live like this for myself

OH! So you were just hankering for a blow job then? Well - carry on.

if you're just going to parrot Pharisee lies, you might as well go all out and throw in with Flashy and pretend to be a Republican and suck Trump's metaphorical dick all day.

I like how the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs has basically said that a tweet is not an order or a policy, so until the DoD actually issues a policy nothing has changed.

I would not object to that final conclusion but for one thing:

Our military, rightly or wrongly, has made a conscious decision to bribe people into service with "goodies" - if they can say to you "Join and get a fat financial bonus" (that's what got me to sign up 33 years ago) or "Join and we'll pay for your college" than I do not at all see the difference in that and the implicit idea that if you join you can get medical relief for the condition you are dealing with.

In each case we have a person who's made the calculation that the incentive in question is enough to motivate them to commit themselves to ears of service to a VERY difficult job in defense of this nation up to and including the potential that they will die in the effort.

Why begrudge them a benefit?

"It must be true! It was on the internet!"

(nevermind a hundred other places on the internet say something different)

Yeah, WebMD is a reliable source, you retarded cunt.

But stay in denial. It's what all lefties do.

if you had enough brain cells to comprehend it that would be a good start. Wipe the drool from your lip and go back to your crack pipe.

Yes, it is. So what part of "the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness" is giving you trouble? Too many words of more than one syllable?

A very convenient definition for you, isn't it? Anyone who does not conform to your definition is either not a real trans or is too weak.

I am willing to bet there is a whole continuum out there and that things are not nearly as black and white as you claim. It is probably much like the straigh to bi to gay continuum where there is a whole sliding scale and lots of people who don't neatly fit into the catagories purists/extremists of what ever flavor want to force them into. It would be nice if you acknowledged that truth.

Stop playing dumb Nova. We specifically had a thread here where you advocated children be allowed to have sex changes before hitting puberty. You kept talking about "freeing them from unwanted puberty".

You said it, now own it. I would be very happy if you have changed your mind and no longer think this is appropriate for children below the age of concent. Is that now the case?

So tell us, Nova. What is the suicide rate for pre op and post op trans people vs the population base line?

It is easy to hand wave away the truth when you conveniently do not want to talk about hard numbers.

On that I can agree. I would point out that which benefits are offered though is a political decision so it is natural that politics comes into play.

Well this should be interesting.

Mattis is opposed:
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...ts-announcing-transgender-military-ban-report

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...ts-announcing-transgender-military-ban-report

More confirmation that Trump just came up with this supposed ban all by himself without ever running it past anyone. Secretary of Defense Mattis is reportedly royally pissed off that Trump never consulted him or mentioned this at all. The joints chiefs of staff have all confirmed Trump never spole to them about this topic or even hinted about it. So it is pretty clear Trump lied when he claimed "his generals" asked for this policy and approved of it.

Can it be any more obvious Trump was pissed off about all the negative coverage of his colusion with Russia law breaking and was just trying to do his usual distract and knock the headlines off the front page game?

I got Ancalagoned.

And it worked, too.

Still, it could have been worse. There was a nine minute wait between his first and second tweet on the subject, during which every military in the world was waiting to see if he was about to declare war on North Korea or some other country over Twitter. Just imagine if one of them hadn't bothered to wait.

James Corden from Canada has a funny skit.

You're a dumb assed shitstain who needs to learn to read.

Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder; it's listed in the DSM5 under 302.85 and is typically treated in adults with transition therapy. The WebMD blurb says "But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. " GD is specifically the conflict felt by the patient, not the mismatch.

I can comprehend it. You can't because your perception is tainted and warped. Much like your vagina.