Trump bans Transgendered in military.

While that is better, I don't see why the condition should only apply to the brain. Cognition, emotion etc. are not limited to it, after all.

It is very hard to explain to someone who has never felt it because it is an experience that is not within their frame of reference. A trans person does not know being the right gender. We work to get close to it and may come to a good point, but we never know what you know.

I do not fully know where it comes from. The more you look at gender and what makes a woman a woman and a man a man the more it becomes an essence because as much as you like to every time you set a definition for gender you can break it. You can say a woman has a uterus, but there are women who have had theirs removed and they are still women. You can do this for all of the sexual organs. Even when you get into the chromosomal identification it does not purely work because physical development of the fetus depends on the mother's hormones and inputs also. Because the shaping and defining of what are undefined stem cells is a process that can yield different results we find that DNA can be overwritten by biochemistry. For example I do believe they have created sperm from a female DNA. When you get down to things like genetic manipulation gender is merely an alternate characteristic within a larger organism.

If you want to go dealer I can go somewhat dealer with my understanding, but the end result is that the idea of gender itself is a concept that can apply to almost anything. Even as I realised I could not define gender in a firm way, I was still very aware of what gender was, and what gender I was.

To put it in another term think of a table. Now realize that is a concept because you can alter those things about that table that make it a table and still have a table. Does it have four legs, three legs, no legs? Is it a flat top, or is the top jagged? Is it round or square? You know what a table is, but there is a lot of variation in what can be a table. You can look at something and know it is not a table.

It is hard to explain because the dealer you get into it the more questions it brings up. It is not a reason not to ask the questions, but at a certain point you have to know you have the essence or concept down.

Your phone is pulling a Dinner on you...I think you meant "deeper" instead of "Dealer"

Why'd you oppress and chill then?

When you look at biology, society and history, it becomes pretty clear that the idea of there just being men and women is just something we (meaning western civilizations) made up. Mostly likely because early religious influences. Other cultures have known about there being variations in human gender. When biologists began researching the differences between the sexes, the lines become even more blurred. A significant number of people have variations in the XX/XY chromosomes without even noticing unless they had an interest in checking. Acting like trans people are just delusional shows a real ignorance of the science that we now understand about how and why humans develop the way they do. All the research shows that what trans people describe is accurate and backed up by data. We don't fully understand how and why, but it seems consistent and common enough that it's likely just one of the details of being human. Just like how some portion of the population is going to be left handed, a portion of the population is going to be transgender. They have always existed, it's just now that the medicine and technology exists to allow them to live more comfortably. Just like people who are nearsighted existed before we invented glasses which allows them to live more comfortably.

I agree with Nova that trans people are probably some form of being intersexed, but only the brain is affected. We know that in the womb, the fetus starts out as female by default before hormones begin to cause changes and significant changes come at specific times. IIRC the dose that affects the brain comes later. This affects the brain as much as the rest of the body, because the brain is part of the body. It makes sense that some of the time, the brains of trans women only develop as cis females while their body gets doesn't and the brains of trans men develop as cis men while their body doesn't. Non-binary people likely get some dose of hormones that only partially affects development. I wouldn't call it a birth defect because the stigma is purely social and decreasing with time, like how left handed people once had a stigma associated with them. When trans people are allowed to be themselves without harassment they function as well as cis people. In the future it will probably be seen as no more of issue than variations in hair color.

Sorry but while I have nothing against trans gender/trans sexual gays or whatever, having two sexes is the norm because it just plain works. Two sexes works pretty much across the board for thousands of species and sexual reproduction is a big game changer in the long history of evolution. Granted humans are a little more complicated mentally/psychologically and there is indeed more to our identities than just reproduction. We are not animals, I get that. But "Western civilization" didn't just recently make up the concept of being men or women, male or female. I could be wrong - I'm not a subject-matter-expert so you might have to provide some links to further explain your position.

Here's a study on it. And more. Google is your friend.

You are plain wrong. Animals don't have fixed binary gender identities either.

Didn't know you were talking about Jesse Ventura

Y'know, to this day, he swears his arms were bigger than Arnold's in Predator.

Jesse is one weird guy - definitely "out there" no doubt.

He's so steadfast and confident in his belief in crazy shit that I almost respect him.

Didn't Jesse punch the "American Sniper" guy? I think I remember something about that.

It's hard to know exactly what happened between Chris Kyle and Jesse Ventura. Kyle's book says one thing. Ventura says another. Now Kyle is dead, and we will probably never know what really happened.

Ventura sued him over the claim before he died and won in court. Kyle’s wife tried to smear him after he died by claiming he was taking money from them, but Ventura insists it’s from the book company since they’re insured for that.

while the term "birth defect" is problematic, it is a very common idiom and I've used it as a shorthand description just because everyone knows what i mean when I use it.

But "defect" is certainly an ugly description.

So let's say "anomaly" instead. Being born transsexual is indeed, in my estimation, a birth anomaly ("defect") in the sense that it can be debilitating in the absence of treatment. I think it will continue to be so no matter how much the culture reduces the attached stigma. My dysphoria is - and I think this is true for every transsexual to some extent - derived from three considerations:
First, the actual physical incongruence. Even something as basic as a daily shaving of the beard is distressing, let alone more commonly discussed features like breasts or genitals.
Second, how the world around me perceives me. In every instance in which someone "reads" me as male, whether due to prior knowledge or by seeing through my presentation, it is highly disturbing.
Third, lack of a common experience with fellow females. While it is true there is not any one "right" female life experience, there are many commonalities which an untransitioned transwoman will not experience and indeed some (like pregnancy) that they CAN'T.

Among these, if you completely wiped out the social stigma connected with being trans, you would still need to be able to treat the biological and medical divergence as early as possible to remedy the distress (if at all possible, by avoiding puberty in the wrong gender) because the lack of stigma doesn't address the physical dysphoria.

So that's basically a medical condition requiring a medical treatment in order to improve quality of life and relieve distress. A "birth defect" in the common parlance.

I really don’t like to use it because describing an entire class of people as a defect seems wrong to me. But it does cause distress for the trans person, some of the time because I’ve come to understand that not all trans people have gender dysphoria. It’s complicated.

Bounced again by a Federal judge:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/transgender-ban-trump-military_us_5ad1572ee4b0edca2cb9eea1

realistically the military really shouldn't exclude an entire group because as it stands now only 1/3 of the people who are of the age to enlist & serve in the US army meet the standards. This situation is unlikely to improve. Granted that 1/3 could be the US military in general, all branches. Standards do vary and specific job standards vary. Regardless 2/3 of the people just don't cut it from:
1) no HS diploma/low aptitude test scores
2) criminal record
3) too fat or too weak/slow

so yes if you are the fortunate 1/3 who can enlist it would be a shame if gender issues keep you out. They let gays openly serve now and the military didn't implode so I can't see how this situation is such a deal breaker. But the government needs to make a decision and stick with it. They need all the qualified help they can get.

The Navy already *had* decided to allow active duty to transition and they were already prepping sailors about regulations on this way back in mid 2016.

The military was doing just fine (or as fine as I expected the military to be on this) before Fucktard threw them to a wolves to stir up his braindead followers.

Trump is wanting to please evangelical Christians, who after losing the battle on gay rights turned to attack trans people. There was some Christian group with a plan to erase trans people from America through laws, IIRC it’s Focus on the Family. The first was the bathroom bills, which have mostly failed to take off. The second was refusing to protect trans kids in schools, which is happening now thanks to DeVos. Third was a military ban, which is failing. Next they want to make it impossible for trans people to medically transition or change their names and gender markers. The result of that will be a massive increase in suicides, which I assume is their goal.

According to years of medical science, the only way to treat gender dysphoria, which not all, but a great number of tran people suffer from, is medical and social transition.

I’m pretty sure that it’s really due to Mike Pence convincing Trump to go along with this, Trump probably doesn’t give a shit either way. He and some religious nuts ditched the military and medical findings on trans people and tried to claim that transitioning causes medical issues, which it doesn’t. It also doesn’t lead to an increase in suicides, like they claim. The 40% rate is before transitioning, afterwards it drops to the average for cisgender people. So it’s all bullshit excuses and they’re running out of them. If someone wants to serve, let them. These people are wanting to serve their country and are willing to die for it, while their leaders are actively trying to dehumanize them and take away their rights. They’re bigger patriots than any of them.

I referenced that. "Defect" is problematic and outdated for ANY usage, not just related to trans folks. I use it here only as a reference to the colloquialism so that the reader knows what I mean.