Wordforge should watch this video.

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  1. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    Especially leftforge. VisualPolitks is a pretty good and always educational youtube channel which asks some very basic questions about issies big and small. Tell me what you think.
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  2. 14thDoctor

    14thDoctor Oi

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    Post a transcript or fuck off. :shrug:
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  3. Bailey

    Bailey It's always Christmas Eve Super Moderator

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    12 minute video with no context? Nah.

    Give us your commentary on what it says and we might respond to that and then watch the video if it seems like it will provoke interesting discussion.
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  4. Forbin

    Forbin Do you feel fluffy, punk?

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  5. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    In summation:

    Why do some countries become wealthy and others poor? It has little to do with natural resources or having natives to oppress and exploit. The main drivers of wealth are ingenuity, work, and entrepreneurial spirit. The video contrasts the U.S. and Mexico with populations on along the border that closely resemble each other and similar natural resources in roughly the same geographic region. Why is the U.S. one of the richest countries in the world where as Mexico is poor?

    The video goes back and uses by way of example two hypothetical brothers on ships from Europe in the 1600s. One arrives in what we later know as Mexico while the other arrives in the area we call New England today. The video narrator points out that Mexico was at that time comparatively wealthy, urbane, and sophisticated with a bounty of natural resources.

    New England was cold, dangerous, undeveloped. As the narrator says, the British didn't colonize North America because it was rich in natural resources. They colonized it because it was "what's left".

    Of course we know rest of the story, New England, and hence the U.S. becomes rich while Mexico goes the other way. The conclusions being that work, freedom, ingenuity and entrepreneurial spirit are far greater drivers in developing wealth than simply having natural resources or locals to oppress and exploit. He points out that places like Japan and Singapore are wealthy yet neither of these have much in the way of natural resources.

    Toward the end the narrator responds to the inevitable question "what about slavery in the U.S."? The narrator points out that American slave states were never the wealthiest states in our country which shows that simply having a population to oppress and exploit won't produce wealth.

    Good video though I thought it could've been better in parts.
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    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Nice summary. :techman: I completely disagree though.
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  7. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    How so?
  8. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    White man smart, brown man dumb.
    Got it.

    Fuck off, Dinner.
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  9. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    Mainly in the way it takes moral attributes of individuals and attempts to apply them to nations as a whole, which turns out to be a repackaged version of centuries-old cultural stereotypes.
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  10. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    I thought he argued against that. Pointing out that the people on both sides of the U.S./Mexican border were basically the same and even noting that places like California and Texas used to be part of Mexico.
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  11. Quincunx

    Quincunx anti-anti Staff Member Administrator

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    It all seems very rooted in 17th-century Anglo-Dutch Puritan bias against Catholicism and Spanish culture.
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  12. matthunter

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    Countries become rich if they indulge in trade protectionism and/or copyright theft or brain drain. Virtually all large modern economies didn't risk their markets on the world stage until they were already highly developed, either by imposing tariffs to guard nascent industries against the competition or by simply ripping off their ideas (China is very good at this). The reason Africa and other developing nations are not growing are because we tied economic assistance to the myth that free trade was good for them - which allowed our businesses to move in and snap up the markets before anyone local could get off the starting line.
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    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    It also ignores the past 200 years of history that followed and particularly ignore the past 50-60 years of CIA meddling, which is probably one of the biggest factors why Latin America is poorer.
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  14. spot261

    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Simple statistics. That statement requires that we see entire populations that by coincidence share personality traits which contrast with those of their neighbours. That doesn't happen. Aggregated over millions the demographic spread of those personality types will even out anywhere in the world.

    Cultural differences are another matter but stem from circumstances and historical context which have nothing to do with innate traits of the individual human beings the culture is made up of. In other words I'm calling bullshit.
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  15. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    That's not what it said.
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    Chaos Descending 14th Level Human Cleric

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    You know, that's not what it says, it's not what it implies, and it even gives examples that destroy that narrative. So... relax.
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  17. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    Race explicitly has absolutely nothing to do with it while culture is overwhelmingly important. If you had watched the video you would know that, dumb ass.
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  18. Dinner

    Dinner 2012 & 2014 Master Prognosticator

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    You also did not watch it because it talks about social structure. Yes, that is critical even though you are obviously ignorant of the issue. Strange how you argue against an idea when you don’t even understand what you are arguing against.
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    I'm not going to watch it. :shrug: I was responding to Dayton's summary. Did you not find it to be accurate?
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    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Whatever, given who you are and your need to hate on anything brown and justify it I will pass on the propaganda myself. There is no reasonable discussion with you regarding race, nor will I waste my time watching racist propaganda just to make your klan ass happy. I watched enough jerry springer episodes with your neo nazi and pointy hooked friends on it to know your general points well enough.

    I do suggest you pedal your propaganda someplace where it might get a more positive reaction. Perhaps stormfront, the president's twitter feed, davidduke.com, or the political discussion group at @oldfella1962 's assisted living community.
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    Some years back, somebody did a similar study, though they didn't just compare the US and Mexico. They had a wide assortment of neighboring countries where one was rich and the other was poor. According to that study, what appeared to determine which country was wealthy or poor boiled down to government corruption. Those nations with the most corrupt governments were the poorest. The reason they gave for corruption leading to poverty was that people in corrupt countries had little incentive to work for anything. If they managed to make a little money, it was quickly stolen by either those in power, or those wealthier than them, and the victims had little recourse to prevent this from happening or recover their wealth.
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  22. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    @Diacanu will now point to where in the video it says brown people are dumb.:tk:
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  23. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Whereas @Federal Farmer will spend the next 24 hours insisting that unless those exact words are used, his point is valid. :rolleyes:
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  24. Fisherman's Worf

    Fisherman's Worf I am the Seaman, I am the Walrus, Qu-Qu-Qapla'!

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    Fuck off. No one is going to spend 12 minutes watching a racist video you drunkenly stumbled upon at Voat.
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    Well, I can think of a few folk here, but they won't last the full twelve minutes. Three tops.
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  26. Dayton Kitchens

    Dayton Kitchens Banned

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    People vastly overstate the impact of the CIA on most nations.
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    spot261 I don't want the game to end

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    Of course, but the CIA is only one of thousands of ways the developed world maintains its' place at the preferable end of the disparity
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Please explain.
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  29. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    I’m just pulling from your playbook.
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    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    The nature of the video is not racist, it’s just not correct.
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