Conservatives are just mad because society is moving too fast!

I love how often it's impossible to tell if you're joking or not.

You have a very vivid imagination, but your delusional ramblings do at least provide a modicum of entertainment.
That said IMHO every human being on this planet is terrified at the very thought of you in a dress.

As much as you might say that as a person who has never seen me, the people who have say something different. The word I have heard from most people is adorable. Now who am I going to believe and make my opinion on? Is it the people who have seen me in a dress and have enjoyed my company, or the coward who is to afraid to see me in a dress in person?

How far did you think that line was going to go? The majority of people who see me and other trans people around like it. The ones that don't are mostly made up of people who are afraid of bullies on the right who will abuse them for showinfg any kindness to someone else. They know people like you wait for it to be safe before you attack. They know you wait until you think there are none of us around to belittle and abuse anyone who gives a minority a chance. I know how you do it because people like me are stealth and have seen people like you do it over and over again. The only reason you are nice is because you know there are penalties for not being nice to minorities. That is why you vote for trump, and that is why you want to make america like it was back in the days when you could pick on people and be on top because of your male WASPiness.

You know what is really funny to me? The stormfront people who raided the capitol are relying on your cowardly ass to do something. They think people like you were going to rise up and help them. They think people like you are going to do something for them. The only thing people like you are going to do is give your money away to traumpo and other con men to do the job for you, but you do not even recognize trump does not give a fuck about your cause. He only cares that you are stupid enough to con.

You are a big bunch of horrible shit flavored goofballs, but pelosi and biden are much harder nuts to crack. That is why I consider them more dangerous. we can let trump and the church take your money and power to patch their titanic sinking ships. We have bigger fish to fry.

Well, to be fair, the thread title is an extremely simplified version of the truth. Political conservatives, by definition, do want to slow down the pace of change. That's why they're conservative. Unfortunately, again super-simplified, there's a lot of bad stuff in our history. Particularly in the areas of race and gender equality.

The sweet spot, I think, as a conservative is to be in favor of changing the bad things in a our shared history while taking a close measured, rational look at how that may change the foundations of our experiment in ordered liberty.

Progressivism, by definition, wants to accelerate the pace of change. They will win eventually, but it may take generations or even centuries. The Conservative should act as a brake to slow the pace of change, not stop it entirely.

The problem there is that there's literally no one like that in the 21st Century GOP. None. Zero. So...

I have to agree here. It is like society is this big blob of a mass and progressives are trying to pull forward while conservatives are stuck on the past. You need the energy of the extremists in front to make prgress, but the society as an organism does need to have some roots in the wisdom of the past. And there are the people in the middle who are just fucking around on their phones along for the ride.

It is interesting to try to parse, isn't it?

Is the one thing keeping us from living in a libertarian paradise ...

(1) direct election of senators
(2) those wimmenfolk being allowed to vote
(3) the income tax
(4) desegregated swimming pools

... or some other piece of social progress that happened after 1910?

"But it sounds like you're saying that if you don't agree with it, you should just keep your mouth shut." - MAOHS

not at all! I'm saying as an individual if we think something is a crock of shit we can ignore it and/or choose to not abide by it. I'm not discouraging anybody else from accepting something just because I think it's a crock of shit. Granted if you personally feel something is dangerous (like Replacement Theory) you certainly have the right to steer others away from it, but not to silence it.
I feel that Critical Race Theory is dangerous but if you like it, that's your choice. It's still a free country for the time being anyway.

Not what I'm saying. IMHO white guilt is accepting blame by default for terrible things that other white people may have done, or are currently doing. It's denigrating yourself just for existing with white skin. Just my 2 cents.

No one give a fuck about blaming you fir shit.

The entire issue is that people like you refuse to just accept shit happened. Every time the subject comes up, you get defensive. But it’s not about you. It’s about history.

Say it with me - without emotion - slavery happened. After the civil war, white people still killed black people.

It’s not your fault. But it did happen.

Oh okay. I guess I missed the part where @matthunter was talking about silencing Tucker Carlson.

Who would want to silence him? That insane cackle he's started doing is awesome! Either he's having a breakdown, is doing a huge amount of coke to take his mind off his yearbook/Gaetz links, or he's been possessed by a witch. Possibly all three.

I don't think that's a sufficient definition. I would go so far as to say it's a "definition" that is purposely crafted in order to discredit it, because it leaves out some important factors.

Let me illustrate: My grandparents were notorious bankrobbers. And they got away with it, because they gunned down all witnesses in cold blood. When they died, they had collected over 50 million dollars. To this day, my entire family, including all my cousins, are living in the lap of luxury because of that. The Smith family that lives on the other side of town, however, has never recovered from my grandparents ruining them financially. Their ancestors owned most of the banks my grandparents robbed. They are at best middle class. Not even close to the level of luxury my family enjoys.

We don't need to feel guilty, though, because we aren't the ones who did it. The ones who did it are long dead and even their victims are long dead. So we don't have to "accept blame by default for terrible things that other people did".

Does your definition still seem sufficent? Or does it maybe need some tweaking?

It is not that I want to cancel tucker carlson. It is that I want his fans to admit to their racism and enjoyment of fucking people over. Stop pretending you are a good person who brown people should trust. If you are going to be on your moral high horse then fucking do it. Also, follow your own damn rules too.

As for him spouting his shit, It is the same old thing. He is full of shit and he has a huge megaphone to broadcast his lies and crap so people need to shout and push back. You don't just get to say outlandish shit and everyone has to agree politely that you have a valid idea. Perhaps some people would want to pull his mic because we get tired of hearing his bullshit. If you are funding his bullhorn I might want to not do business with you because that might tone him down and make my environment better.

You can get one of these (see pic) and take the first step towards not having to hear his bullshit. They work great when I don't want to watch CNN, CBS news, ABC news, etc.
Do I want to cancel people & shows I don't like? Not at all, and apparently you don't either. I would like fans of most MSM news to admit to their racism, bias and enabling propaganda. Everyone deserves to be heard but hearing them shouldn't be mandatory. Thus we don't have to patronize people we don't like thanks to having other options. But if anybody wants to limit their business interactions based on which news they watch they might lose out on opportunity but that's their choice I guess.

Great argument in favor of cancel culture.

The reality is that my actual pillow is just fine and I wasn't going to be buying that, or getting a reverse mortgage to fuck my kids over anyway. Oh, and I don't need to buy or sell anmy gold, or even pay for fucking useless cable. I don't need any of that bullshit. I am just glad they don't sell cute dresses because then I would be supporting them racists.

It really is remarkable how boldly Tucker's just going ahead with the whole White Nationalist Fascist persona without even bothering to mask it much. More troubling that his boss is like "Yeah, that's cool, go with that."

The thing is - it's not the CHANGE that drives history, it's the REACTION to change (thus the term "Reactionary") and reactionaries only become historic disasters when led and directed by those who know exactly what they are doing - and do it anyway.

People like Tucker Carlson and Lachlan Murdoch (among others)

So Tucker Carlson has gotten inside your delicate head - got it.

I mind Buckley's definition of the conservative standing athwart history yelling "STOP!."

Begone with the childishness. I've lost my taste for it (to the extent I ever had any)

As a general principle, anyone who uses the term "woke," no matter how prominent, as an intent to slander or demean is too fucking stupid or unserious (or knowingly acting in bad faith) to humor.

Right wing cliches contribute nothing to the Discourse.

Oh they totally do it anyway, they are just annoyed anyone challenges them for it.

The whole fuel of the white grievance culture is "What happened to us doing whatever the fuck we want because we're white?"
(and they rightly recognize that their share of both total numbers and power is shrinking and with it their level of privilege, though it is still high)

Anyone on Twitter who's not down the right wing rabbit hole should follow historians. Notable in my saying that is Seth Cotler, who's out there every day with threads of primary source material from the last 100 years or so that illustrates just how deeply fascist the instincts of the right wing crowd always was. None of what we are seeing now is new, right down to the Nazi org in the sixties soliciting contributions to support their newsletter as the combated the "agenda of the radical left"

The only real difference is now the reactionaries outnumber the conservatives who are trying to be respectable and rational - and the contest isn't close.

Out of curiosity, if conservatives are required to slow the pace of inevitable change, is there any progress that has been made in the past couple of centuries that you can point out as having happened earlier than it should have?

The problem is that "earlier than it should have" is an entirely subjective argument. For instance, the end of chattel slavery and gender equality "should have" happened the moment Thomas Jefferson wrote "all men are created equal." But, it didn't.

There are certain big issues that we should all agree on for one reason or another. For instance, you and I may come at a topic from a completely different direction, but we may arrive at the same conclusion. You and I will likely come to similar conclusions about human rights and human dignity, but we'll come at it from two different worldviews. Yours being the secular humanist approach and mine being Imago Dei.

The devil, as they say, is in the details. The minutiae. We both agree that the "rich" should pay taxes. However, we may disagree on the amounts or percentages.

The "conservative" people of the US have gathered a lot of dead weight human beings. Trumpism is not just being conservative. It is being the lowest intelligence and skilled people in the US who are rightfully worried there is less and less place for their type of labor in the modern day of technology. These are not people who can all be refit to a depleted number of menial jobs. As technology increases so does the need to be more intelligent to work with technology. Years ago your mechanic could learn the workings of a car. Not all of them can work on your modern day car and diagnose computer problems and fix them. Not all of them can still pull an engine and rewire a car. Even fruitpickers and restock people have to work with more and more technology.

The green new deal wants to go into the coal miner areas and refit the workers to work making solar or wind power equipment. Some of them can do that and more, but a lot of those people stuck there simply cannot make that transition, and among the ones who can some are going to face ageism in that there is no purpose in hiring them to work in a new position where retirement is going to come and eliminate all that retraining. You also have to remember younger kids can work for less. I will say there is also an excuse by corporate people who will claim they have to payi an older employee more for demand that the employee does not make.

This is the conservative anchor of the US and other countries. Most of them are lazy and do not want to train so they fall down on their ass and cry like the entitled pissbabies they are. The trumpistas are stupid, gullible, and don't want to follow other people's rules. They have all been rounded up into one party that is forced to try and hold society back for the benefit of people who are an anchor to the progress of the race. This is why they hate the word progressive, because they know they cannot progress while they are more worried about Qspiracies than their own failing.