2016 Presidential Election Thread

Post-debate poll still has Trump in the lead, though Ted Cruz has now moved into second place.

They were bought out by Verizon for ~$4 billion earlier this year.

Then they turned around a cut a deal with Microsoft, gained a 1000 of their employees and took over all their ad space.

And of course they still pay my paycheck, so evidently, yes, they are still around.

Amazing. Interesting the Fiorina was cited as winning the debate - when she didn't appear on the primary debate. Of course, that was probably to her advantage - more time to talk, less ridicoulousness around Trump.

And here I was expecting this to be a really boring Dynasty vs Dynasty election, but it's turning out to be funnier than It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World.

Funniest of all is watching @gturner running around with his pants around his ankles. What's the over/under on when he stops shrieking "HILLAREEEEE!" and starts screaming "BERNEEEEEEE!"?

This is payback. After two terms of yammering about the "soshulist Kenyan Muslim," they're now faced with the possibility of an actual declared socialist (and non-Christian) running for POTUS.

Does this mean we get to stomp them every time they play their "If you don't support the Israeli government's murder of Palestinians, you're anti-Semitic" tune?

And who'll be the first one to accuse me of being anti-Semitic for mentioning the subject (although @gturner mentioned it first)?

The Republicans are a mess. The one bright spot for them is that Hillary is seen by most everyone as cold, conniving, and lacking much personality.

But I'd still vote for her over the religious nuts on the other side. Although I'm pretty moderate, the republicans will never get my vote again as long as they keep going on about how this is a 'Christian' nation.

Man, was the debate just a giant rick roll?

Bush and Walker, nowhere to be found. 47% going to three candidates who, even by the standards of 2012 Republican party, are completely batshit insane.

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Sanders pulled a crowd of 19,000 in Portland, Oregon. They had to move from a venue that only held 12,000.

Squeal like a pig, @gturner, squeal!

He's a socialist. The country isn't going to go with a Hugo Chavez.

As I said upthread, you guys have done this to yourselves by claiming the incumbent centrist is a socialist. Payback.

And in polling, only about 30 percent of Americans say they would vote for Obama if he could run again. In an earlier poll only 79% of people who voted for Obama would do so if they could have a do-over, while 90% of Mitt Romney voters would still vote for Romney. They concluded that a rematch would give the win to Romney, 55 million to 52 million.

Notice how @gturner's so scared he'd rather talk about Obama than Sanders...

Maybe gturd and his ilk are terrified that their fear mongering propaganda about an Obama third term might actually come to pass?

Update: Organizers are saying 28,000 Sanders supporters in Portland, plus an additional 9,000 who couldn't get in the doors.

Word on the rally at the L.A. Colosseum TBA.

Squeal, @gturner, squeal!

I almost reserved tickets for the rally, but why go be in a choir to be preached at? I already know what his platform is

In Quinnipiac polling even Bush beats Sanders by +5 in a head-to-head match up.

Hillary might be seeing deja vu' with Bernie Saunders. His crowds seem to be growing..

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/politics/bernie-sanders-portland-rally-19000-2016/index.html

I'm a bit unclear on what to think about Sanders. Much of what he has to say appeals to me, but I'm not convinced that he's a serious candidate or that he can actually get elected and do the job. I see Hillary as better prepared to run the federal government, though I don't like her policy positions as much. What I keep thinking is that Sander's greatest contribution might be opening the race up, thereby encouraging a few others to get in. When it was one person, that was pretty ridiculous, but even two isn't enough for a real discussion of issues. And yes, I realize there are already a few others, but I mean somebody better known and more viable than an O'Malley or a Chaffee.

Sanders has expressed surprise at the amount of grassroots response he's been getting. It seems to me that his original goal was simply to pull Hillary more to the left. And it's succeeding. Sanders has been running on free college tuition from the beginning, and guess who just announced she's got a free college tuition plan?

Yeah, we really need to quit making the elites pay for their kids to go to Harvard and Yale when we can just bill the working poor for it.

Harvard actually is already just about free for children of the working poor.

Oh, and Yale, too!

Turns out that gturner has it kind of backwards.

Yes, but currently the rich kids have to pay for Harvard and Yale. If we had free college education they wouldn't have to do that. Instead it would come out of everyone's taxes.

Yours is usually the side complaining that the poor "don't pay their fair share of taxes." Make up your mind.

Too many people already go to college anyway. The value of a bachelor's degree has plummeted over the last several decades. There is no prestige associated with it anymore.

"Prestige"? And here I thought it was about education...