So it's just guesswork?Look Castle abused my personal info and got away with it. He then gets banned for not succumbing to Anc's pride and ego. Now I like Anc, but damn, when you have an owner's ego bruising taking precedence over rule breaches...and an owner who runs away and hides when the going gets tough...then serious question must be asked. Castle may be a loathsome, pitiful man but it's the latter that makes him harmless. If he's not going to be banned for breaching the rules then it's an even grater affront to the longstanding rules here that he not be afforded the same fairness as everyone else. Do I think Castle's return will benefit the board? Not a chance in hell. But do I believe board rules should be exercised fairly? Absolutely.
Chup, it appears that you don't know why Castle was banned. If you think it had nothing to do with his posts regarding you, then you weren't paying attention. He did several things, that collectively led to the ban. It wasn't simply that he didn't answer Ancalagon with the right format.
Then why is it his ban coincided with Anc's question and none the rest? Let's be honest here, he would have got away with the rest, just as he was doing, until he engaged in a competition of egos with Anc? Also, why does Anc ditch threads like this like a coward when he's still repping the posts he likesand still has you carrying out his instructions?
There is no point in Anc commenting in this thread. You arguing, well, not clear exactly, and he has made clear statements in other threads about this issue. And your post rejecting the very specific statement I made to the contrary of your speculation demonstrates exactly why he shouldn't bother. You are free to believe as you wish, Chup, but the final resolution of Castle's ban rest with him, myself, and the other three owners. Whether you choose to believe one, all, or none of the five, that's your business.
Anc doesn't comment in this thread for no other reason than his insufferable pride. He was the big mouth when @Lanzman was in charge. So where is he. Ghost now? Care to answer that? As for statements, where is the statement that Castle was banned for abusing my personal info rather than bruising Anc's pride? I shall read the link you will provide with interest and revise my view accordingly.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ, gul, what fuckin' toadie behavior. "Anc doesn't have to talk to the likes of you! I'll handle this! ". Seriously? What are you the guard in Wizard Of Oz all of a sudden?
If by "guesswork" you mean that I don't know if Castle's getting banned is what inspired the other posters to show up, then yeah. Actually, he got warned for that, IIRC. You mean like, "Why do I still post here? Isn't there something better I could be doing with my life?" Because if you're unhappy with this decision, then maybe you should rethink being here. I know I've walked away from boards where I'd been a member for roughly a decade because I thought the owners had decided to be dicks. And I discovered that my life's been much the better for it. Then why care if he uses your personal info against you? Since I've been here, the bannings have worked like this (as best I can recall): You violate the Blue Room rule and/or reveal personal info about someone, you get a "vacation," the length of time increasing with each subsequent "vacation." Other bans, like spamming up the Red Room, or other extreme dickish behavior gets you permabanned (or very nearly so). Of course, that may not be 100%, but that's because I don't pay attention to "Teh Drama" that so many people create, so I'm sure I've missed a banning or two. So, who's threatened the board, been banned, and not had to ask to have their ability to post restored?
Sure, that's what I said. Or maybe, you should go re-read. Because what I said was that it would be a waste of time. For some reason, I'm more willing to waste my time than he is. More a statement about me than him.
The underlying concern here seems to be that if Castle isn't allowed back without abiding by the rules that heretofore have applied to everyone else he'll implode, maybe even to the point of doing himself physical harm. If that's a genuine concern, I'd encourage everyone who shares it to continue to interact with Castle one on one, via FB or whatever other medium you have access to. If necessary, those of you who've sussed out his RL contact information might be willing to do a RL intervention (make a call to his local PD or emergency services if it comes to that). If it's not a concern, let him abide by the rules. Making him an exception, for whatever reason, rewards his behavior and encourages More of the Same when he returns. In fact, based on the special pleading in this thread, it seems to me he's managing to passively troll some of you in absentia.
Meanwhile, where is the link confirming that Castle was banned through abusing my personal info and not because Anc got his pride hurt? Furthermore, where is your dear leader, who was such a mouthy shit when Lanzman was in charge? Why is how not operating in line with his own stated approach? Or is it a case of changing the board software and then resting on ine's supposed laurels?
If by "guesswork" you mean that I don't know if Castle's getting banned is what inspired the other posters to show up, then yeah.[/quote] So in other words you have no proof and are just implying that it's him to make him look bad. Low. Very, very low. Save that revealing personal info is a banning offense under the rules ( which haven't been redrafted). He wasn't banned because people think I'm a cunt and it took Anc's pride to get him banned. No more, no less.
I'm not going to play that game. You know quite well that he was warned on the personal info violation. Look at the original Castle Helpdesk thread or at the released Shelter thread if you want to read elsewhere that I have stated he was not banned solely for how he responded to Ancalagon's question. You can take that, or reject it, that's on you. But this is all a game, one that I'm done playing. You continue to prove the reason for Ancalagon's absence in this thread.
Maybe I communicate with him occasionally in private. We have known each other outside the realm of Wordforge for several years. So, sawkeet!
Clearly, Chup, you've been taking lessons from Dayton on how to use the quote tag. It took me forever to figure out what the fuck you were trying to say because you botched it so bad. What I've managed to sort out is so rambling and incoherent that I'm forced to conclude you're being blackmailed by Castle into doing this, because it is so far from your normal posting style that that is the only thing which makes any sense at all. No, I'm not kidding or trying to be "cute." There really is no logical reason for you to be begging for Castle to be returned to active status, other than he's blackmailing you. Because in the grand scheme of things, nothing we post here should matter to anyone important. This is an obscure message board (a dying medium) in just one arm pit of the internet. Anybody who gets butthurt about something you post here, isn't worth worrying about. Yet you were worried about shit Castle posted here. Begging for him to come back would only enable him to continue to spew his shit here. So, which is it: You want him to spew his shit here, since that means he won't be spewing his shit somewhere else. Or, he's blackmailing you, and you're too stupid to realize that he'll continue to do so, since he knows that you're a pussy? Its got to be one or the other. garamet, what you're suggesting is known as "enabling." If Castle's suicidal over being banned, then unbanning him is only delaying the inevitable unless he gets professional help, which he probably needs. It is unlikely that unbanning him will convince him to see a shrink.
Again, I'm saying the rules should apply to everyone equally. But what I'm reading between the lines in Chup's and Diacanu's posts is a greater concern for Castle's welfare IRL, which is why I suggested they look into RL interventions. That's not what you seem to have gotten from my post.
I haven't posted in this thread since yesterday b/c nothing new has happened since yesterday. I and other admin and past owners and past admins have explained the process. You say you want an exception for Castle. I say none of the owners want to make an exception, which even if I wanted to push (I don't) it would be 3-1 so nothing could be done. You say you want an exception for Castle... Castle has contacted the owners and a dialogue has begun. When something comes of it, we'll let you and everyone else know.
When the hell did this happen? I thought I read this whole thread. Is there a secret bonus episode in an Easter egg menu somewhere?
If Wordforge collectively finds me to be an annoyance, feel free to call for my banning. Unlike Castle, I have no pathological need to post at this message board and have no interest in trolling board members just to provoke a reaction. And I was not one of the folks having a go at him and provoking his meltdown. I don't think its fair to put down someone's real life career and/or personal life, even if they are trolls like Castle or Dayton. He acted like a cunt and got himself banned, let him ask to come back like everyone else.
That's not an exception, that's the rules as I remember them. The "ask to come back", thing started for permabans, and somehow became an all-bans thing with no official announcement or change over.
Admittedly, I haven't been keeping track. The last time I got a week off (my second, I think), Tamar was pitching her "Someone can be identified by their first name" game. The sequelae to that event were kind of interesting. That said, if it's been made clear to Castle that all he has to do is ask, what's the BFD? ETA: Yeah, come to think of it, that second one was a perma, because I had to ask Lanz to let me back in. The first warning happened under Elwood's administration. Long stretch in between, so no three strikes law, just BAM! Funny, that.
The "BFD" is simply a case of fairness...and that even applies to twats like Castle. Having said that, Castle is presently having a drunken meltdown on the WF Facebook page and making it virtually impossible for him to be taken credibly. I'll argue for fairness for him every day, just as I would anyone else here. I won't argue for someone who doesn't want to try and meet halfway, which is what he's currently doing. The irony is that he's so desperate to come back here it's unreal. He seemingly doesn't know when to STFU. His loss. He'll be the one sitting lonely, waiting to come back. But, notwithstanding, whoever runs and owns this board must always act fairly, not out of personal grudges, and the fact is that Castle wasn't banned when he broke the rules, not once, but twice. He was banned because he wouldn't bow down to Anc's manipulation...and, in terms of the latter, why should he have to?
Chup, just wondering, but have you come across that expression about the final straw? It might help you to understand why Castle was banned. The current Facebook melt-down is... interesting.
