Yeah I'm gonna call someone by what they want to be called because it's polite and less confusing. Same reason I would call someone by their preferred name or nickname rather than their birth name: they can ask to be called whatever they want, and they might not respond otherwise.
The trope is the verbal warning are merely a formality so the cops can start shooting before the suspect can comply. I'm not implying this is the case in this situation, btw, but I can easily imagine it went down like this (note, I'm very sure dash/bodycams will refute this): Cop leaves vehicle, sidearm already drawn, suspect in sight Cop (yelling): Drop the weapon! Hands in the air! Suspect doesn't immediately comply Cop (yelling): Last warning! Drop it! Suspect steps toward cop Cop fires multiple rounds If it went down anything like that, which seems to be the perception of cop encounter these days, despite what shows like Cops show, then there's a problem because police are going with the expectation to shoot someone. Again, I'm not suggesting this is what happened in this specific situation. No, aggressors just need to follow the law and not try and attack cops. I have no sympathy for people that are that stupid.[/quote] Now, anyone actually attacking a cop is inherently not long for this world.
It didn't. There was 15 minutes from contact to the shooting. During that 15 minutes police were trying to talk him into putting the knife down. Only one shot was fired at the end when he started approaching the police. A single shot to the heart. Also remember that this guy is the one who called 911 and said there was a guy wandering outside with a gun and a knife. The police know he has a knife obviously but in the back of their heads they are also on the lookout for the gun.
yet the protesters and others in "sack cloth & ashes" go ape-shit before they think through the entire scenario. This scenario is NOT AT ALL like the one where cops jump out of their car and shoot some kid in a playground with an air-soft gun. It's the complete opposite. Every opportunity was given this likely armed person to stop advancing. Scout wasn't deaf, Scout wasn't retarded - he knew what "stop" and "drop the weapon" and "get on the ground" and whatever else the cops yelled meant. I really don't know why this is being treated as anything but a tragedy.
Yes it's unfortunate. I have a son in college - I have a wife who recently got released from a short-term mental facility. I have a step-brother who was shot by police & survived. I can relate, trust me. But I've also been in "do I shoot or do I wait?" situations (job related) so I can see that side of the equation too. Regardless, it's a tragedy and nothing more in this case. No sense pointing fingers & Monday morning quarterbacking the cop at this point. He wanted to go home alive at the end of his shift - I can relate.
The thing is we (the general public) don't hear about the times when cops do talk someone into dropping their weapon and surrendering - because that doesn't sell tickets.
This. It's an unfortunate part of our society that we rarely see the people who do drop their weapon and surrender. Like this: Also there are two taser fails in this video.
Well that, and because they get fired for it: http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/us/wv-cop-fired-for-not-shooting--lawsuit/index.html But it begs the question of why do people seem to only suicide by cop here in 'Murica? Why don't the crazies beg to get beaten by British cops or karate'd by Japanese ones? (That's a rhetorical question, btw)
pics or it didn't happen! Yeah you would have to be addicted to pain to pull a "suicide by cop" under those circumstances.
"However, research of actual OIS incidents has shown that officers can only accurately hit their moving assailants 14% of the time in life or death situations from distances of only two to 10 feet. " Source
Actually it's a valid question because you don't see suicide by cop in other countries with police who do carry firearms. That's not to say it doesn't happen or can't but generally it seems to be an American thing. I put it on the media and law enforcement who put the idea out there about suicide using cops to such an extent that it's now an option that people think about when committing suicide. Just the phrase Suicide By Cop has become something that almost everyone knows about.
I'd guess some of it happens, but it might not actually be taken as "suicide by cop" for them. After all, we're talking about different cultures. And when it comes to the UK, aren't most of their police unarmed? With Japan? As big of a weeb as I am, I don't really know too much about their police, or their justice system outside of an article I read about someone who had been caught up in it, and they claimed that there's an assumption of guilt there.
I get that - not an excuse, just a possible reason: because so many criminal in the US are trigger happy!
and what if their training doesn't work? If the criminals don't have guns either what's the worst that can happen - the "conflict" does not get resolved and the suspect either runs away or throws a brick at the cop?
No, having a knife was not enough. Having a knife, verbally threatening officers who were trying to descalate the situation, then ignoring multiple lawful orders, then advancing menacingly at the officer while holding said knife was enough.
Yeah. It's kinda hard to understand the outrage on this one. It's tragic but the guy wanted to kill himself using the police. The police didn't just show up and shoot him either. They tried for 15 minutes to talk him down but ultimately he made the decision to move towards officers while holding a knife. Given that he's suicidal does anyone really think that had he gotten within arms reach of the cop he would have surrendered or that he would have actively moved the knife in a way that looks like he was going to stab the officer or even actually tried to stab the officer?
Yes... All of which doesn't detract from Oldfella's implication that British cops don't need to worry because UK criminals lack guns too (typically). They DON'T lack knives. This situation could happen to a UK cop, so in answer to the "what's the worst that could happen?" question he asked, the answer is "the same thing that made this cop shoot the kid". And yet, cop stabbings AND civilian deaths at the hands of the police are far, far less per capita than the US. Why? Well that would be the training I mentioned.
But that's not our place. Sure we can type our hearts out discussing the situation based on what little we know, but any action or change of policy that might prevent another situation is purely in the hands of officials investigating and officials who make policy, who have all the facts. They're probably not reading Wordforge.
Now you are just in la la land. The cops went the extra mile, showed remarkable restraint, and it is only when the guy became a clear and present dabger that they took the necissary actions to defend themselves. The rest of your post is all lues, spin, and monday morning quarterbacking.
Bull-fucking-shit. Granted the training might be great, but stabbings are far less because pound-for-pound visceral, perpetual, multi-generational hatred of cops is much, much greater in the US than in the UK. Not saying Matt Hunter doesn't know what he's talking about , but it really is "apples & oranges" when it comes to motivation and enthusiasm for killing cops. Whipping a cop's ass is entry-level cop hating/resisting arrest. Ambushing them and killing them is the standard many US citizens cop haters try to measure up to. And civilian deaths are much less because UK cops don't have the option of not getting sliced to ribbons or beaten into a coma since they don't have guns to shoot the person attacking them with a knife. Damn UK cops must look like Frankenstein's monster after a few years of getting cut up & severely beaten. Or maybe 99 percent of the "violent" criminals in the UK just don't try to kill cops when they get the opportunity.
I was already familiar with the story so i didn't read the one linked but...yeah...since they don't even carry them *sigh* all the more frustrating
Scout was also intersex which is a separate (though parallel, developmentally) thing and so probably more complex that people with no experience in these things likely suppose. Also, there's a gigantic fucking list of people who choose to call themselves something other than what their mama decided and no one ever objects to it unless they are trans. Also, there's another pretty long list of people with unusual names- including not a few "Scouts" - most of them much more unusual than "Scout"
