Julian Assange dragged out of embassy and arrested

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  1. RickDeckard

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    He meets all of them, although what you have in mind by "accountable" may be more sinister than usual, given what's going on.
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    assange bet on trump. for that reason alone no one should trust him again. He is not some fuckwit asshole from arkansas. He knew who trump was and helped make him king. Worse yet he got used by trump so completely. Even roger stone got a fucking pardon.

    I can see Snowden and Manning thinking better of the people they informed. They did their thing for us, and we fucked them. Assange did it for trump. He sold himself for trump. He gave up his life and freedom for trump to be president. I cannot believe there is any amount of honor and decency when you back Donald Trump. Even evil manipulative crooks don't back trump legitimately.
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    nor does CNN - but I digress.
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    Bull. He doesn't care where it came from or if it's true, as long as it discredits the U.S. He let the Seth Rich lie keep going to cover up his association with Russian military intelligence. The lasting impact of his 2016 "journalism" was a bundle of bizarre conspiracies that fed directly into the Qanon cult which emerged a year later. He is not a man interested in the truth. That's an entirely separate matter from his alleged criminal liability.
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    OMG, you have GOT to stop believing lies trump has told you.
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    Whelp, it looks Assange is fucked.
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    Accepting assurances of good treatment from a state that previously plotted the assassination of a defendant (alongside the violation of any other number of legal and diplomatic norms) is a fucking travesty.
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    TBH I'd be a lot more satisfied if his behavior in 2016 was the behavior that he'd find himself in legal trouble over.
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    Of all people, Barnaby fucking Joyce (Australian deputy PM, adulterer, and human beetroot, best known as the guy who threatened to kill Johnny Depps dogs) made some great commentary today:

    https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-h...he-s-entitled-to-justice-20211212-p59gto.html

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    And remember, Assange was reportedly trying to get a pardon from Trump.
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    Be curious about the timing. 2017 was when Assange's lawyer says she was present in the room when Dana Rohrbacher presented an offer of pardon to Assange as long as he said that the DNC hack was not the doing of the Russians. Rohrbacher of course is famously the congressmen that Republican leader Kevin McCarthy said was taking money from Russia on tape - along withTrump.
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    Yep. The US doesn't like it when you air their filthy secrets for all to see. "Land of the free."
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    Some years ago when Assange took refuge in the embassy, one was regarded as a conspiracy kook if one placed any heed in his claim to be at risk of extradition to the US. That narrative has now disappeared down the memory hole, along with much else.

    This is an unmitigated disgrace, exposing as lies the rhetoric about press freedoms from western politicians, few of whom have spoken out.
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    The man is a criminal and is going to end his life in jail, and it's well deserved.

    Which is also very interesting, because he certainly has knowledge as the cutout for the GRU to Roger Stone and company in the US. Don't be surprised if he doesn't make it long, but that won't be because of the US, it will be because the secrets he hasn't spilled are all on one side. Remember he actively was on Russia's payroll, tried to undermine the Panama Papers that revealed the oligarchs holdings, and his lawyer stated he was offered a pardon to say Russia wasn't behind the democratic leaks from a man that even the GOP considered to be Russia's Congressman, Rohrbacher. This is the very least of what he's done.
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    While not all conspiracy theories are equal, it should never be seen that a conspiracy theory is automatically far fetched. Conspiracies do exist, they have been proven to exist time and time again. Sometimes, what our government calls a conspiracy theory is just the truth getting out six months ahead of them, and they hope by the time it catches up with them, people will have forgotten it ever existed.

    As for Julian, he revealed that the emperor didn't have any clothes. The fact of the matter is that Assange is being extradited because he revealed the illegal acts the US was engaging in, and they're going to make sure he pays for it. Not the people who committed those illegal acts (as it would indict any number of congresspersons), but the man who revealed it to the public. Law and order only exists for the favor of the elite. For the rest of us, it's a demand for obedience.
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    I don't recall hearing anyone saying that Assange wasn't at risk of extradition when he holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy. As I recall, it was already known that the US was wanting to extradite him and he picked the Ecuadorian embassy to hide out in as they didn't have an extradition treaty with the US. Of course, once the government in Ecuador changed hands (Gee, whoda thunk something like that could ever happen? And that the new government would want to curry favor with the US? I mean, it's not like the US has a centuries-long history of meddling in the affairs of other nations over petty bullshit or anything.), then it was inevitable that Assange would be tossed out into the street.

    That the charges against Assange can be bullshit and that Assange is also human garbage, seems to escape some people. Anyone who thinks that Assange leaking the DNC information would somehow lead to the Dems picking someone other than Hillary to be President, or that the US voters would pick a third-party candidate over Trump and Hillary is fucking delusional.
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    I used to support Assange, but I've come to realize he did the right things (exposing the US) for the wrong reasons (to help Russia).

    Still, it's a shame a fascist like Priti Patel is the one responsible for sending him to an even more fascist prison.
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    The US denied it, for one. And the late @El Chup - who was apparently a lawyer involved in immigration and extradition issues in the UK - rubbished it. To widespread applause from a section of WF posters.
    I'll dig out the links when I have some time.
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    Just saw this. Wow.
    Assange is a Russian asset who was coordinating with Russian military intelligence to put another Russian asset into the presidency.

    FUCK OFF ENTIRELY with the word JOURNALISM. If it ever applied, it hasn't for years. Certainly not when he officially started taking a paycheck from Russia to put stories on their state owned propaganda channel, Russia Today. That was back in 2012.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-kremlin-funded-tv-show-idUSTRE80P0TV20120126

    You know the difference between you and me, Rick? When I'm presented proof that I'm wrong I can admit it. You can't.

    LOL, sure.

    I didn't smear a British judge. I pointed out that there is a real threat to the life of Assange if he was put into a prison controlled by Donald Trump. This is the very core of every country's extradition system, to see justice done and many countries refuse to extradite to those with the death penalty or where the prisoner's safety can't be assured. I'm saying the British judge did the right thing, because there was real reason to fear for Assange's life in that scenario.

    And oh, look, exactly what I said would happen is happening. They've moved along with the extradition process now that Trump is no longer in charge of US federal prisons.

    Not every motivation is openly stated. That doesn't mean they can't be understood.
    Ah yes, anyone who disagrees with you is political. The people you agree with only act with the noblest of motives. LOL. It's an official Equadorian position that Assange was working with Russia. Of course they are the ones who would know that, considering it was their embassy he worked out of.
    https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/julian-assange-helped-russia-from-ecuadorian-embassy-cgvbcgsfv
    https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/...hat-assange-has-ties-to-russian-intelligence/

    Assange is a Russian stooge. He's actively attacked material that painted Russian oligarch in a bad light, claiming the Panama Papers were all a CIA front - and backed by George Soros. Funny how the far right and far left end up using the same playbook. LOL.

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/717458064324964352

    Oh, and I'm sure not at all related, the whistleblower who leaked the Panama Papers has stated that he's in hiding because the Russian government wants him dead.

    https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...e-dead-a-9f830d70-297a-472a-b0cc-9632ff2f514a

    Assange refused to leak data on Russia when it was in his possession, including that a Kremlin bank was propping up Syria's failed economy that only came out during court, never published. Why would it withhold that? And refusing to publish any of the tranche of documents it received on Russian activities in 2016 - instead working with the GRU to get Donald Trump elected.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/world/europe/wikileaks-julian-assange-russia.html
    https://www.dailydot.com/debug/wikileaks-syria-files-syria-russia-bank-2-billion/
    https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/1...-government-during-u-s-presidential-campaign/


    Yeah, he fucking did. Here's the interview.



    Anyone saying that Assange wasn't planting the idea that Seth Rich was their source is an overt liar. And it worked, as his buddies working with Russia in Conservative media lapped it up and spread it everywhere.

    And the Mueller report went into further detail: Beginning in the summer of 2016, Assange and WikiLeaks made a number of statements about Seth Rich, a former DNC staff member who was killed in July 2016. The statements about Rich implied falsely that he had been the source of the stolen DNC emails. On August 9, 2016, the @WikiLeaks Twitter account posted: “ANNOUNCE: WikiLeaks has decided to issue a US$20k reward for information leading to conviction for the murder of DNC staffer Seth Rich.”180 Likewise, on August 25, 2016, Assange was asked in an interview, “Why are you so interested in Seth Rich’s killer?” and responded, “We’re very interested in anything that might be a threat to alleged Wikileaks sources.” “I know you don’t want to reveal your source, but it certainly sounds like you’re suggesting a man who leaked information to WikiLeaks was then murdered.” Assange replied, “If there’s someone who’s potentially connected to our publication, and that person has been murdered in suspicious circumstances, it doesn’t necessarily mean that the two are connected. But it is a very serious matter…that type of allegation is very serious, as it’s taken very seriously by us.”181 After the U.S. intelligence community publicly announced its assessment that Russia was behind the hacking operation, Assange continued to deny that the Clinton materials released by WikiLeaks had come from Russian hacking. According to media reports, Assange told a U.S. congressman that the DNC hack was an “inside job,” and purported to have “physical proof” that Russians did not give materials to Assange.182

    Assange knew that Seth Rich was not his source, and was actively working with Russian military intelligence after Seth Rich died in a random attack in Washington DC, and that included additional leaked material that came after Rich's death.

    Both the report from the US select committee on intelligence and the Mueller investigation state that Assange actively worked with Russian intelligence to help get Donald Trump elected. This includes Assange reaching out to the Guccifer email accont run by the GRU specifically stating that he wanted to amplify their message to help Donald Trump win.

    https://venturebeat.com/business/u-s-senate-report-on-2016-election-details-wikileaks-russian-ties/
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-report-julian-assange-smeared-seth-rich-to-cover-for-russians
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/us/mueller-report-seth-rich-assange.html
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/19/media/seth-rich-mueller-report/index.html
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    Any plea deal by Assange would mean him traveling to the US to plead guilty being extradited.

    A plea might be worked out if Assange is willing to talk about his role in the 2016 Russian interference. Remember Dana Rohrbacher, the 'Congressmen from Moscow', offered Assange a pardon from Trump is he explicitly stated that Russia wasn't involved. Assange certainly knows who he was coordinating with in the GRU.

    So a plea deal is almost certainly not going to be worked out until he is extradited, and while he might make a plea its' not going to be as Assange's supporters state because the Biden administration is looking for a way out.

    And he won't be Epsteined, because Bill Barr won't be overseeing the prison.

    What's more, Caroline Kennedy's comments in no way, shape or form suggest that she has any input in the matter, repeatedly saying how it is handled will be up to the DOJ. Assange's supporters are hearing what they want to hear. The Ambassador to Australia is just being diplomatic. What are the odds.

    Here's a link to the original article which is quite a bit different in tone than the one in the Intercept: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...-flags-assange-plea-deal-20230811-p5dvwd.html
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