Meanwhile on TERF Island: Government so small it can force you to build specific washrooms!

New restaurants, offices and hospitals in England will be required to have separate male and female toilets, in a move ministers say will combat growing concerns about “privacy and dignity” in gender-neutral facilities.

The law will mean newly built non-residential buildings require separate facilities, and cannot solely have “universal” lavatories.

According to ministers, 81% agreed with the intention for separate single-sex toilet facilities in a consultation on the proposals, while 82% also agreed with the intention to provide “universal” toilets – a self-contained, and a fully enclosed toilet room with a wash hand basin for individual use – where space allows.

The government said the new requirements will mean people of all genders have access to facilities, either through a separate single-sex space or a “universal” toilet.

However, the policy has been criticised as being transphobic since it was first proposed in 2021 because it offered no alternative plan for transgender and non-binary people.

Campaigners for trans rights have long argued that gender-neutral toilets can be reassuring for some transgender men and women who fear discrimination in binary toilets.

The equalities minister, Kemi Badenoch, said the move will help combat the rise of gender-neutral toilet spaces, which she said “deny privacy and dignity to both men and women”.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...uired-in-non-residential-buildings-in-england

1. I know every principled conservative here will oppose this, since governments shouldn't be telling businesses what to do.

2. I went to a new bar on the weekend where all the washrooms were tiny single person rooms available for anyone to use. It was great. Complete privacy, no pointless waiting in line because the "wrong" toilet is available but the "right" one isn't.

3. Did Brexit really go so well that the federal government has time to obsess over public washrooms in 2024? Everything else is going great in the UK?

I have never seen the elites of a society so well and truly lose their goddamn mind as what's happening in the UK right now. Their anti-trans panic (which the regular people don't generally give a fig about but the politicians - both major parties - are pandering to activists who have completely snowed them) is more of a radical shift that when the Mullahs took over Iran. At least in Iran they were in the middle of a region with a long historical heritage of various flavors of Islam.

The British just picked up a perfectly ordinary aspect of day-to-day life that only a few fringe nutters ever bitched about and in 5-10 years made it the greatest moral crusade since Hitler ate a bullet.

It's just fucking bizarre.

Anyway....
A. even for the anti-trans mindset, this...
"cannot solely have “universal” lavatories."
Is stupid as fuck. A wholly individual space is the ultimate "safety and dignity" space. These people have lost the thread altogether.

B. Along the same lines, the obvious - and already in use in many places - arrangement that provides both individual comfort and takes no side on trans inclusion/exclusion is one common area for non-toilet matters (handwashing, mirror, diaper change, etc?) and that surrounded by fully enclosed and secure toilet closets with no need to designate for sex in any sense. All you'd lose are urinals which...good. Who enjoys THAT experience?

Jack Nicholson in Wolf?

Oh rhetorical questions don't need answers. I always forget that.

There is no "federal government" in the UK.

However, presumably you now believe that they shouldn't govern themselves?

They have the EU.......Oh wait, they Brexited that shit.

carry on. My bad.

Yeah, this is a very dumb move. I've usually got time for Badenoch, but not on this incredibly performative action.

The only downside to mixed toilets is now having to deal with women bitching at the sinks instead of just gay men, awkwardly washing your hands whilst having a couple of resting bitch faces deployed in your direction for daring to attempt hygiene mid character assassination isn't fun.

And anyone who has been clubbing over the years will be well aware the mens toilets always acted a useful overflow for the ladies, so there is literally no point to this whatsoever.

So, what's happening with baby changing bays? They've traditionally been parked in the ladies, with sex/gender neutral loos that made a few peoples lives easier.

It was only a few weeks back that the Cass report came out, and I kind of hoped that would signal a more science-based effort to help the trans community. Nope, one set of loons have had to wind their neck in, so the other set now feel they can squawk.

At last, JK Rowling can take a whiz without fear.

Owners deciding of their own free will to provide single-occupancy bathrooms is the only practical and fair way to handle this. The only alternative being to provide no restrooms at all.

I wish all public bathrooms were single occupancy. I don't want to be around anyone when I poo, male or female or whatever.

As said, we don't have a federal government. However, we do have a government with a majority in Parliament which is looking increasingly unlikely to retain that at the next general election.

And just took a major kicking in local elections and mayoral races.

What we are seeing is them clinging to the desperate hope that doubling down on their most hateful policies (deporting immigrants to Rwanda, culture war shit like this) will re-energise their core voters, who largely stayed at home in the local elections or voted for Reform UK (a "we're still relevant post-Brexit" rebrand of Farage's lot).

Bitch is never gonna have to use a public toilet again in her life.
Not one the proles have to use anyway. A fancy one at some swanky charity gala, maybe.
The odds of a trans being there are nil. If only because trans celebrities treat her like radioactivity.
I hope she spends the rest of her days hiding in her castle turning into the chick from "Sunset Boulevard".

So, at the local Walmart here, they have a men's room, a women's room, and two "family rooms" that are individual stalls.

Is that really so fucking hard for everyone to do? Really? This was already a thing long before the trans issue came to the forefront. The solution that can please everyone is right there. You have a gender-neutral individual stall and no one can complain if you dictate that dicks stay out of the women's-only restroom.

It's so simple, it's no wonder politicians haven't glommed onto it.

They don't want it solved; they want trans people out of public life, period.
That they chose the toilet thing to get any traction shows how pathetic that cause is.

Every time I see people arguing about this, I think of the mummy in Robot Chicken screaming at the archeologists "What about the dicks?!? What did they do with the dicks?!?!"

These have been in most new builds/renovations in Vancouver for a while. No one I know has a problem with them, they're great and seem a logical way go about things moving forward. Also good for cocaine use

Strange the the Brits aren't on board but soemtimes it seems like the bizzarro world over there

I'm not surprised or particularly concerned about Tories being Tories, it's in their nature.

What pisses me off is Labour - particularly Starner - so often offering "us too" when given a chance to take a stand against culture war bullshit.

For some, the problem with that is you're not outing or stigmatizing the people you look down on. If you FORCE (at least insofar as we comply) trans people to go to a space designated for THEM (as opposed to a widely used "family" room) or into the one that doesn't match their presentation then you hang the "scarlet letter" on them so they are more easily abused.

Speaking of...



Very telling that most of the TERF in the replies haven't said "the women's". They just deflect and waffle on about something else as their true thoughts would destroy the entire foundation of all their arguments.
Suddenly sex and gender aren't so rigid eh.

that's 'cause everyone was in the ladies room bustin' rails off the back of the toilet.

We are, it's the politicians who aren't.

We used to have politicians who'd actually engaged with the Real World (tm), and studied something more than PPE, even STEM degrees, now, not so much.

So, being unable to differentiate between 'sex' and 'gender', or indeed legislate where treating the latter like the former where appropriate, is not a surprise.

Just look at Sunak and Starmer, the first is basically Briefcase Wanker from the Inbetweeners, and Starmer is the only person I know of who actually has the ability to fade from view. He needs a hi-viz vest to remain observable to anyone without a Predator helmet.

I need to start a UK GE thread, and hope the rest of Britforge can keep it ticking during my various absences.

Nobody owes you validation, and declining to do so is not "abuse."

Are you seriously complaining about a gender neutral stall, that anyone can use? Jesus

Private, single-person rooms with wash basins, that anyone can use, seem like the way to go.

Says the guy who throws literal cartoon tantrums at Spaceturkey.

My understanding is that most trans people do their best to "pass" (not appear to be trans) in public, and only being allowed to use one clearly marked type of washroom in public places is going to undermine those efforts, effectively "outing" them to anyone that sees them go in or out. That's humiliating and dehumanizing at least, and dangerous at worst.

What? Like …, there’s three bathrooms? Men’s women’s and single use?

I’d always use single use and I’m not trans.

But then, I’ve never been comfortable in public restrooms. And if there is one person in there, I’ll leave. Well, it used to be that way. The older I get, the less choice I have as to how long I have to get to a restroom.

If they're all single use, no gender stalls it doesn't matter

If they're all single use m, no gender stalls then there's no problem at all, but Nova was talking about situations where that's not the case, and the OP was about the UK banning setups with only single use, no gender stalls, seemingly for the sole purpose of making life more difficult for trans folks.

I would say keep the men's room, and have a multi person wash room for those who want to check their looks. The urinals in the men's room do reduce the time needed for urinating. It would reduce wait time over all if men were able to piss and be done with it. It would also reduce crowding of the rest rooms if women, and some gay men, could check their hair and have a wash basin that did not involve taking up a bathroom. These are two problems that would use up space in a single use restroom.

We also might want to bring back female chat rooms and install playpens in there. WTF is it with women needed to talk around the toilets? This is why I don't want to go in the ladies room. It is a fucking zoo in there.

That's what the sinks in the single person stalls are for.