Military coup in Bolivia

No such fact has been established.

So nothing to say about the rigged election then

Ours?

And? A very large number of lefties DIDN'T accept the result of the election and protested and whined about it for months.

No election systems in america was hacked. The only thing Russia did was create false news through social media. That's not even in the same ballpark as rigging an election.

Obama tried to ban Fox News before he was rebuffed. Every President tries to control the media. Welcome to reality.

Again, what a newsflash. FDR tried to appoint extra Supreme Court justices and Nixon tried to used the white house to conduct his own intelligence gathering operations. Thank goodness for our constitution.

And another newsflash. You really are new at this aren't you?

Nope and neither do I. Angry mobs tend to do nasty things. Film at 11.

So is all this Trump deflection a reason for you to ignore what Morales was doing? Do you support Morales or not?

Answer the question. Do you support Morales rigging the election or not. "But Trump" or "But America" is not an answer

Says the guy who treats all coups in South America as a dogwhistle to blame America. You aren’t exactly what I’d call fair and balanced

Are we roleplaying? Are you the United States and I'm a peasant farmer trying to cross the border to save my family?

You want simple answers to a question that is not so simple. You call it a rigged election, but even that is still up in the air, because the people calling it rigged is the OAS, a U.S. backed political lobby and protest group that claims fraud, even though no examples of fraud have yet been found. Even the AP says it's all still too ill defined to say for certain: https://apnews.com/6b2c94306089451d9761878c9f7ce2f1

Which has no bearing on the point whatsoever.

Who mentioned hacking?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud

Yup, so that in what way impinges my point? Should Obama have been dragged down the street?

And this helps your case how? Pointing out other corrupt Presidents supports MY position, not yours. I don't care which party they were from.

Neither do you what?

This is what you are supporting when you support political violence.

Not at all, but nor do I support what we have been witnessing or the assumption of a moral high ground you seem to have assumed. This isn't because he's a socialist, it's because he's corrupt (or at least has been declared corrupt by a partisan external player) and if you are happy with those scenes then presumably you'd be happy with them on home soil.

Nope.

It's a multinational organization that has monitored elections for the past 29 years. It's not a pro america lobby group. Try again.

It is backed by the U.S., and it is a political organization that lobbies governments. Also:

Lulz.

I'm not sure what being "fair and balanced" towards imperialism or its toadies ought to entail but I'll leave that to others, yeah.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/201...11reuters-bolivia-election-audit-factbox.html

The draft of the report is here if you can read Mexican.

Rightforge- (Antifa punches Nazis) Political violence is never justified!!

Also Rightorge- (A leftist dictator is ousted in a military coup) Huff, puff, huff, puff, huff, puff!! Here I come! Here I come! Here I cuuuuuummm! Ngggyyyeeeaaarrgghh!! Awwww, shiiiitt! Phew! Phew! Pheeeeww!! *Collapses into bean bag chair*

The audit is from the OAS.

Why wouldn't we back it? We're a member.

Yes.

How the fuck do you read "Nope and nor do I" and come away thinking I support violence? Are you that impaired?

Just because I don't support what has been going on by a wanna be dictator doesn't mean I think America is without it's flaws. But when I see a clear example of someone trying to abuse his power I'm going to point that out. For some reason that puts a bug up the ass of leftforge. "But Trump" is a stupid retort when I have a very clear post history of not supporting the guy. The violence is tragic, but that's what happens when you have a large population who feels their government is corrupt and they have no say about changing it. When 2020 comes, I'll get to cast my vote for another person in the white house and if Trump loses he's gone. If he wins he gets another four years and then he's gone. That's how it works in America and how it should work everywhere else. If that makes me too pro america then I'm happy to live with that label.

Where did I say I was happy with it? Are you really that dense?

In a bit of semi-related good news, Lula was released from the prison in Brazil where Bolsonaro's fascist chums had landed him.

The OAS is heavily funded by the U.S., is headquartered in the United States, and the current chairman is Carlos Trujillo, from the United States.

Carlos Trujillo is the US Ambassador to the OAS, not the "chairman".

The current Secretary General of the OAS is Luis Almagro from Uruguay.

Carlos is not the leader. The Secretary General of the OAS is Luis Almagro, who is from Urugua.
It's also funded and supported by 35 independent states of the Americas.

Just stop already dude. You're embarrassing yourself.

Carlos Trujillo is the American Ambassador to the OAS, of course he is American.

The Secretary General of the OAS is Luis Almagro, who served in the government of leftist President of Uruguay, and before that leftist guerrilla against the military dictatorship in that country, José Mujica.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Almagro

Are there people here trying to deny that the US (assisted no doubt by its newfound neo-fascist political allies in the hemisphere) exerts a very large degree of influence over what the OAS does?

This guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Almagro

See edit.

What isn't heavily funded by the U.S.?

So is the UN.

That says he's the US Ambassador to the OAS...besides the Secretary General is from Uruguay and the Assistant Secretary General is from Belize.

What I'm saying is the U.S. heavily influences the OAS, and what the U.S. wants, it tends to get. Carlos Mesa, the opposition in the election, is connected to the United States as a member of USAID. One of the key organizers of this coup is Luis Fernando Camacho, a far right fascist, and a man who was named in the Panama Papers. The CEPR has found no evidence of fraud:
http://cepr.net/press-center/press-...ularities-or-fraud-statistical-analysis-shows

Statistical analysis of election counts: http://cepr.net/publications/reports/bolivia-elections-2019-11

So... seems legit, right?

Yeah, about the CEPR

So you dismiss a mulitnational group for being based in America yet support the findings from a small D.C group which is leftist? You are such a hypocrite.

Actually, I read

and wondered how that could possibly be a response to this:

Hence the question, neither do you what? It's not even a case of disagreeing, your response simply didn't make sense.

Therefore my questions about Trump, Trump supporting politicians and, yes, Obama.

If the scenes we are seeing there are justified by his alleged corruption then similar scenes would be justified by a corrupt POTUS, no?

And dragging people down the street.

And yet you asked

Well, there's your answer, there's your clear and unequivocal support right there.