Now for something else: Feminism's battle has been won

http://new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/the-decline-of-feminism/

Paints a very interesting picture of modern feminism.

Edited for accuracy.

Actually the wage gap is based on a misunderstanding of a comparisons of straight up averages. But he does have a point when it comes to the hypocrisy some feminists display when it comes to traditional gender roles.

If Feminism strives for "equality between the sexes" how can anyone honestly claim that "Feminism's battle has been won"?

If Feminism strives for more rights and less obligations for women, it will only be won when all men are slaves.

It hasn't been one...and it is just like any other cause, people will use and abuse it for their own ends. It's much like the difference between the fight against racism and those who play the race card....but the fight for equality much go on in spite of the abusers. Frankly it would be preposterous to pretend women are now equal society.

I'm waiting for @BeamMe 's eventual "white straight man is under attack" thread....

The problem with 99% of all Feminist groups is intrinsic, it is systematic, it has been cemented since the sixties and it stems from a perversion of dialectical analysis.

Actually, in some ways, they're more advantaged. Reproductive rights, centers for abuse victims, divorce settlements and child custody, and the like.

There's really only one major area in which women are more advantaged in our laws, and that's child custody. (That's also basically the only front on which the "men's rights movement" isn't utterly full of shit.)

You can sort of make a case for reproductive rights, but also sort of not, since so much of that actually does spring from simple biology.

The reason there are more domestic violence shelters for women is that there are more women who need them. You might as well complain about the fact that more Veterans Administration spending goes to men.

So, one and a half ways, out of an entire society full of systemic advantages? Yeah, I'm not really feeling oppressed here.

Not to talk piecemeal here but there is a gender gap when sentencing for all serious crimes throughout Western civilization.

Also divorce settlements in general.

In what way does it spring from simple biology that a man has very little, if any, legal means of divorcing himself from legal guardianship? Especially in cases where the man didn't consent to the impregnation.

Except that's false. Men are just as likely to be the victims of domestic abuse as women are, but the very few shelters that have been made available for men have been funded purely on private funds, as they cannot get public funds the way women's shelters. And even then, these shelters are attacked by feminist groups. The founder of the first one, up in St. Paul, MN, committed suicide over these attacks. Also your comparison isn't much of a comparison in that the male victims of abuse are typically turned away at women's shelters ("safe space" and all that), but female veterans are not typically discriminated against in this way by the VA.

"Oppressed" is too strong a word, but you do face systematic discrimination in a way due to being born male that you would not face had you been born female. You and most people have also been conditioned against seeing this as discrimination, however, a bit of which can be seen in your reaction to the mention of shelters for the male victims of domestic abuse.

Men may be just as likely to be victim of domestic abuse as women but the injuries sustained are normally less severe. Men are far more likely to kill people in general. That said female domestic violence against men is not taken seriously, in fact, it's made fun of in popular culture, and this contributes to the cycle of violence for everyone. Much work needs to be done there.

However and again this is piecemeal.

Even if that were true, what difference does that make? If there is supposed to be equality between the sexes, should there not be funding made available for shelters for both sexes, or at least shelters that are not exclusive to victims of only one sex?

There should be and there is not because violence against men by women is not taken seriously. That said there should probably be more shelters for women since realistically more women need them.

That speaks to a traditional view on gender roles and a resultant sexist viewpoint. We don't know for sure, because it is difficult to gather data on.

No, it does not. It is a conclusion drawn from available data. If many more women than men are murdered and hospitalized as a result of partner violence then it would stand to reason that many more women than men are in need of domestic shelters.

You really, really should not get into this with me, and accusing me of being sexist against men is absolutely laughable. I have been accused of being sexist against women countless times by the rabid Feminazi cunts (and yes, I do use that term) I've had to deal with over the years merely for pointing out areas where men are at a clear disadvantage in society. I'm a Marxist. This shit is my bread and butter.

And the point I'm getting at is the "available data" part.

I'm not accusing you of sexism, not directly anyway. I'm pointing out that the attitude that women automatically have more of a need in this area is based in a sexist view based in traditional gender roles. The "take it like a man" viewpoint.

Really? Me too! Well, except the cunt part, I generally don't use that as an insult because I'm rather fond of cunts.

While I disagree entirely with collectivism, I have actually studied this as part of a "Women in European History" course and found it somewhat interesting that part of the reason Marxism was as popular as it was had to do with the ideal of equality, which would include women, and that women therefore adopted it with some enthusiasm because of this and even had some success at gender equality because of it.

There is a plethora of data on the subject, and just as if you search for the gender gap when sentencing, all available statistics point in exactly the same direction.

Examples:

http://www.thelancet.com/action/showFullTextImages?pii=S0140-6736(13)61030-2 (World-wide)
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime.../rpt---chapter-2---homicide.html?format=print (United Kingdom)

There are tons of other sources.

Wasn't Erin Pizzey, the woman who basically invented the DV shelter, demonized harassed and threatened when she tried to open DV shelters for men? And wasn't the owner of the only Men only DV shelter in Canada basically driven to suicide for his efforts a few years back?

Yeah, pretty sure this is just another women bashing excuse for BeamMe to work through his mommy issues.

As an advice for people arguing these issues and especially those campaigning for equal rights between the genders rather than female supremacism it is absolutely vital that you do not allow yourself to get emotional during a debate. In today's discourse, any man or person advocating for the rights of men, making an appeal to emotion will have it immediately twisted and used to demonize him.

We are at an absolute disadvantage in an environment which has been near-monopolized by females criticizing patriarchal structures and abuse. As an example it is extremely hard to not be painted as a conspiracy theorist, a misogynist or a plain nutjob if you address men's issues unless you are a woman, and if you are, you will often be treated as a traitor due to mob mentality. Our only defense is maintaining a cool head. Inflammatory rhetoric gets us nowhere.

And I haven't even begun to get into exactly why the basic theory and practice of Feminism is flawed and how it has nothing to do with shallow albeit superficially valid arguments such as "why is it called Feminism if it claims to work for equal rights for both genders." This is the core of the problem. I could tell you exactly why but I'm not sure if people want to read a complex analysis thus I don't know if it is worth it to split it down.

Don't forget all those women that refuse to sleep with him despite his being a "nice" guy.

When Soma agrees with you it is time to reflect upon your position.

He is the product of the victimization propaganda white male conservatives wallow in.

Since something like that would have statistics I was wondering if you could show them to us instead of just asking us to trust you.

Just like your incessant white boy whining paints a very interesting picture of the useless white male teen.

Can't stand it.

Except for in a rare case it is pretty much the man being a whiny bitch when he goes through a divorce. First, if she physically abuses you in most cases you are to physically defend yourself. A good hard shot may be wrong, but in most cases we are not talking about a beating. On the other side we are talking about a beating where the woman is more likely to be less able to take the hits as a man would. The second part is that the woman has up until recently, and probably still now, been most likely to not be able to escape financially. Women earn less, they may not have access to marital monies that would allow them to leave in the immediate. They may not have a full time job, or their full time job might not be a career job and it is not something she can rely on without the husband. This is one of the reasons why gay men often leave an abusive relationship earlier. They are simply more empowered to be on their own in society.

Often you have family issues. Normally the woman is burdened with the kids during a split. I am not talking about divorce and custody hearings because those can be months or years out. The immediate split often leaves the woman with the children because the man simply does not want to deal with them on the level that she does. In the case of abuse the woman may feel the need to stay because she cannot take care of the children on her own, where a man would be more likely to not consider the children his immediate responsibility.

So things are not equal, and the perspectives are much different. This is why men are not often taken as seriously when they get abused. Most men in society should feel able to get out of a situation like that. You can get a lawyer and argue over the kids later because she is going to take care of them. In the odd cases where that is going to put the children in immediate danger from neglect or abuse from the mother the father needs to man up and make his point because his position in society is actually easier to accomplish that.

So really, suck it the fuck up and be thankful you were not born a woman. Quit your whining. Women face far more problems and pain than you do in life. Some of that is physical, and some of that is due to shitty society. I am not saying it is bad to be a woman. They have areas where they have great and better things than men. However, when it comes to relationship abuse there are many more things that trap them than you. We are trying to lessen that, but we still have a long way to go, and you are not falling behind women, you are simply loosing some of that advantage. That is what makes your whining and bitching so distasteful.

That being said, yes there are female superiorists. They are just as wrong as anyone else who thinks they are superior simply by some arbitrary quality they have.

I am not asking you to, I was just helping you kick his useless ass a couple of times. Please do carry on.