Random Star Trek discussion

I love Tim Russ, but I still feel like they should have cast someone older as Tuvok. As it stands now Spock and Sarek age very noticeably between The TOS movies and their TNG appearances, while Tuvok barely ages at all between Undiscovered Country and Voyager. At least give him a gray streak on Voyager or something.


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The writers fucked it up, but i feel like the Kes/Neelix relationship almost certainly platonic. You can see in that one episode where Kes thinks it's her species time to reproduce that Neelix is completely taken by surprise at the idea of having kids with her, which isnt how you'd expect a guy to act if he's sexually active with someone. Also from personal experience, I've had relationships before where it felt more like having a kid or a younger sibling than a romantic partner, but it just felt good to be needed that I stuck around. I could see Neelix running away from the war and the loss of his family and ending up in a relationship exactly like that.

Er, Spock does not visibly age between TUC and TNG.

And I'm not aware of Tuvok being in TUC.

I might be confused about the Tuvok thing, let me double check.

I think Spock looks similar in both of those.

He had aged by ST09 but that was just as per Nimoy.

Tuvok was part of the Excelsior crew during the events of TUC, as shown in that flashback episode of Voyager.

Yeah, Tim Russ played a human crewman on the Enterprise B in Generations, then Tuvok on Voyager on Voyager, then young Undiscovered Country-era Tuvok on the Excelsior in one episode of Voyager. I mentally misplaced the Generations character as being on the Excelsior in TUC.

Did they do a Quantum Leap-style mirror scene in the Flashback episode, to show how young Tuvok would have appeared to Captain Sulu? I don't recall one. I remember he looked like a little kid during the flashback scenes created by the the memory virus, so I think I assumed however he looked in any of the flashback scenes was really how he looked back then. If that makes sense?

Sarek in TSFS and then on TNG





It's basically just making his hair more gray, but Tuvok should at least have a bit of gray as well.

STO finally gave him some:

Neelix definitely fucked Kes.

The whole "Ocampans only live nine years" thing was ... just not all that well thought-out.

At a minimum, they should have anticipated how squicked-out the audience would get upon more than a brief contemplation of some of the implications...

I mean... People don't complain about those age disparities when you put the difference the other way, like when an 18 year old woman falls in love with a 1000 year old vampire in too many stories to count, or when an 87 year old Aragorn marries 2700 years old elf princess Arwen at the end of LOTR. There were plenty of people thought Rose Tyler should end up with the Doctor (not the hologram), even though she was 19 and he was 900. Jennifer Lien was 21 when she first played Kes, so the character was at least as physically developed as an adult human, and they made a big deal of showing her receiving medical training from the EMH to make it clear she was actually very intelligent.

I think most of the squickiness was a reflection of how off-puttingly Neelix was written at first. After all, it's not like people were as passionately against Tom Paris and Kes getting together, and Paris was unambiguously trying to have sex with her.

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Was Tom Paris a low-key predator because his first love interest was a 2 year old and his best friend was the most inexperienced and naive guy available?

The interwebs say that Tuvok is only 107 at the start of Voyager. So that's pretty young by Vulcan standards, and probably quite a bit younger than Spock and Sarek are at their TNG appearances. At a guess based on Internet surfing, Sarek was about 200 when the episode "Sarek" happened, and Spock would have been 140 chronologically, although you could fanwank that his rebirth through Genesis made him older in appearance than he should have been.

Spock technically shouldn't count as any sort of standard for Vulcans since he's a dirty half-breed.

Just want to point out that you are all nerds.

Why is anyone in the 24th century shocked or disturbed by Barclay using the Holodeck to blow off steam and poke gentle fun at the senior staff? How is that not a common thing within a week of the invention of Holodeck technology?

Is it because the Holodeck isn't normally supposed to recreate living people for for personal programs because of privacy or copyright or whatever and Barclay was able to program around that? Or was it the equivalent of browsing porn or writing down your creepy daydreams on your work computer?

It's the 24th century equivalent of tentacle porn. Everyone has watched it at least once, but they all have to pretend they never have and it's disgusting and why would you even...?

Evolved sensibility.

DS9 had holosuites that everyone knew were for porn, and Starfleet officers and their families were provided with enough local currency to be able to book them regularly.

Also Picard is the one that coined the phrase "evolved sensibilities," and he's a... What's a good term for a sheltered elitist/limousine liberal/naive snob?

@14thDoctor , I agree that Tuvok on VOYAGER should've had some salt in his hair.

Is there a canon/continuity source for Tuvok's age?

Or because they were surprised at how completely tame these fantasies were,

Memory Alpha cites to episodes as establishing when Tuvok was born:

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tuvok

Tentacle porn?

So he was 107 during Caretaker.

For contrast, this is Sarek at 101:

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Yes, but have you all considered that black don't crack?

Don't play coy.

Sarek only got a few grey hairs due to the stress of dating human women.

*runs*

Sarek likes human women because it's easier to let them die of old age instead of divorcing them.

He'd have loved the Ocampa.

OK, it is in MC.

I have to let it go, but if she starts talking about cornholing I am going to lose it.

"Lonely Among Us" is on BBC right now.

The Anticans have lightsabers.
They claim they're butchering tools for their food, but they're lightsabers.

Trek has telepaths, and lightsabers.
Trek could totally have Jedi.

So did the Anticans eat the missing Selay, or nah?

Pretty sure they did.