"Rugged individualism" is a societal constuct.

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  1. shootER

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    I mean if you want to camp on BLM land it's free, but you'll have to either bring your own food or forage for it.
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    Ah. No idea what you’re talking about and cannot think of a clever insult, so you resort to nonsense. {shakes head}. Fucking public education.
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    That was exactly my question.
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    The last link is broken for me. I was referencing https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=45902&inline
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    Klinger proves drag queens can work it :techman:
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    I love the idea that Klinger ends up opening a little dress shop in Seoul, making the prettiest little dresses you ever did see.
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    I like this article on Little House on the Prairie

    https://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanma...ura-ingalls-wilders-little-house-books/16584/

    “The ‘Little House’ books stressed self-responsibility, community cooperation, taking care of one’s needs oneself, and with these goals, a person could be free and independent,” he said.

    Although the “Little House” books are littered with stories about the family’s ability to beat obstacles through self-reliance, the reality was not always so rosy. In fact, Wilder and her family had benefited from a farm loan as part of a federal program received while she was working at the Mansfield Farm Loan Association. In the books, Wilder also describes the family settling in virgin territory untouched by people. But they had, in fact, knowingly moved in on Native land that was protected by none other than the federal government, which stationed soldiers in the Dakota territory to safeguard settlers from Native American attacks and provided aid after natural disasters.

    And this one
    https://lithub.com/little-house-of-...yths-and-the-sentimentality-of-self-reliance/

    In her books as well as her public life, Wilder loudly trumpeted the self-reliant ideal. She found a corollary in the political culture defined by President Herbert Hoover and others. In 1928, Hoover used the phrase “rugged individualism.” In a campaign speech that year, he deployed it and then offered himself as its poster boy, rather than espousing the “European philosophy” of “state socialism” that he implied belonged to his rivals. Hoover declaimed: “The American pioneer is the epic expression of that individualism. … That spirit never need die for lack of something for it to achieve.” (The Herbert Hoover Presidential Library and Museum houses Wilder’s daughter Rose Wilder Lane’s papers and testaments to what its website calls her “extraordinary life … formulating and promoting libertarian ideas,” which included her positive biography of Hoover.)
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    While a great story ending as well as an attempt to ‘apologize’ to the trans community, the reality is Klinger was never trans. He only dressed in women’s clothing as an act to prove he was unfit for military service.

    It was a derogatory storyline for both women and trans people. I despise the character and pretty much every character in original movie.

    On second thought, I despise the original writer.
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    I can understand that. I love him, though, and I feel he did a lot to normalize the idea of wearing drag without it being a reason to hate someone. Yeah, it was a running gag ran to it wasn't funny anymore, but the characters treated Klinger like a competent person who deserved respect and admiration. So I see it as a mixed bag in the end.
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  11. Diacanu

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    Richard Hooker was a bit of a Republican shithead, yeah.
    In real life, he mutated from Hawkeye to Winchester.
    My little fan-canon theory is that Winchester is a pie in the face to Hooker.
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    And the people who laughed at him were not immediately tarred as "bigots" who should lose their jobs and be run out of town. Imagine that.
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  13. Diacanu

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    Potter didn't take to bigots any more than Captain Kirk.
    I'm sure any firings happened between episodes.
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    Confirmed. Laughing = "bigotry."
    :tbbs:
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    You do more than laugh.
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  16. Uncle Albert

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    Oh really? What else, in your vast knowledge, do I do?

    I hope you've got something more impressive than your usual obvious lies about banning books or something.
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  17. Diacanu

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    Klinger got into fist fights with guys who took their bullshit too far.
    UA strikes me as the type.
    He likes to pretend it would be passive sneering like Frank, but we all know him better.
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    You make it a vendetta to oppose trans recognition. You bring it up in threads where it's completely off topic. You always show up to argue that they don't deserve respect.
    You aren't just laughing at a guy in a silly outfit.
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    I oppose people imposing their will. There are no sacred topics or protected classes.

    Uh huh. How much of that is actually me responding to someone else bringing it up?

    Nobody deserves respect just for existing. That is a status that must be earned, and can always be forfeited.

    You're still not describing anything but free expression.
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    Sure. Free expression. Just like the Nazis protesting outside Disney World. But that doesn't mean it is without harm to others.
    The point i made is, you do more than laugh. No one asked for your input. You offer it freely. And more than you do on just about any other topic on this board.

    Plus, your claim that no one deserves respect just for existing is a convenient cover to disparage groups you don't like. It's also a claim that barely anyone else buys into. The idea that all people deserve inherent respect as living beings is pretty universal.
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    Sure you do, bootlicker.
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    All or nothing. With us or against us.

    :dayton: Fucking clown.
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    That harm has specific terms that must be met. Simply saying "this hurts me" is not sufficient.
    "More" is not enough to ring the "bigotry" bell.
    It doesn't REQUIRE cover, and no the fuck it is NOT universal.
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  25. Diacanu

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    Binary is your thing, Rorschach.
    Stop projecting.
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  26. Uncle Albert

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    ....says the assclown who thinks he gets to arbitrarily categorize people in the way that best suits his tired, canned arguments.
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  27. Diacanu

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  28. Uncle Albert

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    For the record, are there gradients between "with us" or "against us," yes or no?
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  29. Diacanu

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    Depends what you're diluting. Sugar? Sure. Arsenic? Not so much.
    Fascism is arsenic.
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  30. Uncle Albert

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    And anyone who doesn't carry pom-poms for your pet cause of the moment is automatically "fascist," right? :dayton:
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