Seriously, Richard? Dawkins Pushes TERF Declaration

And there we have it.

Karl Marx was a banker.
There's one, and one is all it takes.

You know why people like you fixate on nebulous, subjective terms like "worthy?" Because it allows you to superficially detach from any real-world, material assessment of merit. It need not be proven, and cannot be disproven. It simply is, because you say so.

Hey look, a living example of what I talked about earlier. Thanks, @Paladin, I wasn't sure if folks knew what I meant when I talked about privileged people who place value on hedge fund managers while dismissing the very real issue of farmers living in poverty. He doesn't see it, so it doesn't concern him. It just shows up on his plate and that's the end of his consideration. It is the same mindset of people who have so much wealth, that other human beings become facilitators of wealth. They become resources to be exploited rather than human beings who have just as many needs, if not more, than the self-satisfied, "self-made" man.

For the rest of you:
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/rural-economy-population/rural-poverty-well-being/
https://www.ecorestorative.org/farm-poverty
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/farm-household-income-and-characteristics/farm-household-income-and-characteristics/#Farm Household Income Forecast
https://frac.org/hunger-poverty-america
https://www.healthypeople.gov/2020/...inants-health/interventions-resources/poverty

You don't have to read all of the links if you don't want, but the notion that @Paladin can't see who is starving in the United States should well inform you of how blind to it you have to believe to think the US is an actual meritocracy. It's privilege that lets him remain blind, just as it's privilege that lets @Uncle Albert continue to believe he doesn't even have it despite benefiting from it every day of his life.

Again, back to the original topic, it's the same mindset Richard Dawkins has, because if he hasn't experienced it, it must not exist, and if it does exist, it must be because "those people" did something to deserve it. Privilege, especially based in white ethnocentrism, is still very much with us, and that's the real basis for our "meritocracy" in this country.

What's your measurement?
Precious gems?
Velvet crying hobo-clown paintings?
Viking beer steins?

Marx was a banker.
Peter Kropotkin was a prince.
Albert Einstein was a socialist.

There are many more examples of people who had wealth and status, and found it to be so unethical they eschewed it in favor of working towards a common good free of exploitation.

Fucking prove it. Right now. Without resorting to hollow platitudes or referencing people who are not me. Based on your extensive, detailed knowledge of me and the life I have lived, you can state unequivocally that I, as a specific individual and not a category, have benefitted from "privilege" because.....

"Prove to me I can't see anything!"

And if you want to do that on your own time and your own dime, more power to you. Up to the exact point where you try to justify coercing participation.

Cute story, Israel offered him the position of the first president, and breathed a sigh of relief when he didn't take it.
Einie wasn't suited to politics....but man, can you imagine the alternate timeline where he was their George Washington?
Damn....

That's what I thought. You've got nothing. You want it assumed, absent any objective evidence, because I refuse to sing from your playlist.

"I see here that you worked on the XYZ Project at MegaCorp. Can you tell me, specifically, what your role in the project was? Also, can you tell me about difficulties you encountered in the course of the project that you didn't expect and how you overcame them? What was your most important contribution? What would you say was the biggest thing you learned on the project? What would you do differently if you had to do it over again? If we were going to undertake a similar project, what advice would you have? What resources were critical to the outcome? Is there anything that took up a lot of time or resources that wasn't worthwhile?"

If one can provide satisfactory answers to similar questions about things in one's background, that's a pretty good assessment of one's merit.

When they say shit like "prove it without using hollow platitudes" they've basically announced whatever facts you use are going to be labeled as hollow platitudes.
They really think they're good at this, you know.
They must have people in their lives that tell them they're smart.
Can you imagine?
Okay, can you imagine without wanting to cry?

Einstein was indeed a brilliant man, but he had too many scruples to be a politician. I kind of feel you have to really hate people to become a politician, at least these days. How else could you knowingly promise people things you never plan on delivering, despite those promises being desperately needed, like financial stability, food, medicine, and shelter? I couldn't do it, and I'm sure there are people who became politicians who left office more discouraged by how the machine actually worked (meritocracy, my ass) than when they went in.

Yeah, sure.

I'm sure anything outside "I need this job. I get hungry, and I have bills" followed by "Cool, you're hired." is unimpeachable proof of privilege.

And I'm sure Donald Trump would answer all of those brilliantly, and get a gold star on his pencil box.

Exactly. They're so indoctrinated with the belief that what they have they've made themselves that they could never identify their own privilege because to do so would be to devalue everything they believe they've accomplished. They literally believe in the adage of picking one's self up by their bootstraps, despite the meaning of the phrase being a literal impossibility. It was an admonishment of the self-made man, not an endorsement.

Einstein was a pacifist. That probably wouldn't have worked out too well for Israel.

Have you something more substantial to offer?

I'm sorry sir, I can't get in around your butt cheeks. You'll have to remove your head.

How the fuck does anyone argue with this guy and expect progress? It's like Dunning-Kruger fucked Donald Trump and shat out Ayn Rand's diaphragm.

By what arrogance do you presume to speak for what someone else believes? I can be swayed by reason and evidence, but you do NOT get to assume it by default based on demographics.

Interesting thing is it wasn't dawkins who showed me the light regarding atheists. It was Bill Maher and how he promoted the incel atheists and gamers to be what they were. Dawkins may have been around, but it was Bill who really had the hearts and minds of the atheist community.

The atheist incels were also not above voting for Trump either. There was a large swath of them who went all anti-SJW and anti-woke. A lot of that came from gaming also. Video gaming is a toxic male shithole many on the left participate in. These are the atheist followers of dawkins and Maher. They feel as entitled to sex as any male christian anti-woman idiot.

For Dawkins or Maher to pretend to be TERFs is absurd as both cater to the entitlement of men to sex. Neither truly chastises their fanbase for their sexualization and dehuminization of women and girls. Now those people are trying to pretend to be TERFs? The TERFs are doing nothing about the Incel movement and it's leaders joining up with them?

People like Dawkins are using women as victims of trans people because no one gives a fuck about incels being bothered by trans people they refer to as traps. Trqap is the word Dawkins and his gamergate followers use for a trans woman. It is tolerated as a slur across gaming discussion boards and atheist groups. They were trying like hell to ban trans people but no one cared. Now they are using women as the victims. They make this claim trans women are harming all women, and this is to turn people against the trans community when there is no one who is more degrading to women than fans of dawkins and the atheist gaming community.

Women love crossdressing. What they do not like is dirty little boys who can do nothing but stare at their tits and get afraid of female competition and the ability of a woman to say no and have control of her own body.

*Chortle*

I mean, he actually said to prove that he had privilege, but was already telling me he was going to dismiss anything I posted ahead of time. He's his own worst enema.

No, I did not say that, and I was very clear about what I did say. I'm not sure what you think you have to gain from lying. Are you feeling disarmed when you can't rest solely on vague emotional rhetoric?

Call her a cock socket, that'll really sell it.

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About Bill Gates' programming skills...

Gates was in the right place at the right time with the right connections to act as a glorified middleman, and it made him one of the richest men alive. I don't begrudge him that, but let's not pretend he'd be just as rich today if he'd been adopted by my parents instead.

There are plenty of similar stories out there. If you read deeply enough into those "Top 30 under 30" lists you'll find things like "this young entrepreneurs company almost went bankrupt until it managed to land a massive contract with a much larger company that was owned by the CEO's father."

Even more annoying are the "how this young person paid off their mortgage in five years" articles that like to go on about hard work and skipping lattes, then casually mention near the end that their parents paid for most of it anyway.

Hell, there's a meme based on the game of looking through an "how this 29 year old paid off (X) in two years," to find the part where their parents or family gave them a shitload of money.