Star Trek: VOY Reviews - From Start to Suicide!

They were basically the sort who open an "Irish" bar in America which has a big green neon shamrock outside.

Memory Alpha says: The "Bringloidi" colony, now led by an Irishman named Danilo Odell and his hot-tempered daughter Brenna, are followers of an early 22nd century philosopher who advocated returning to a pre-industrial agrarian lifestyle

So the original colonists could have been a bunch of poorly informed morons following a 22nd century influencer/lifestyle guru.

Exactly. and growing up in America where that sort of thing is 'the norm', I never thought of it as insulting.

I'm pretty sure most people from outside the US would be embarrassed and offended at the way shit happens/exists in the US.

I just read an article that the actress Kim Rhodes was considered for the role of T'Pol, but was considered too fat. That's gotta be Rick Berman. Apparently Kate Mulgrew wanted her to become a reoccurring character because she liked her performance so much. This episode should have come in the earlier seasons.

*Googles*
...and, she ended up in one of the Atlas Shrugged movies.
That's literally worse than porn.

*Prodigy and Picard happen*

*Comedy trumpet*

As one of those, I don't actually find it offensive at all, just a bit ridiculous. There have been a lot of those kind of tropes in Hollywood for a long time. The Banshees of Inisheerin was actually much worse, because people take that seriously and showered it with Oscar nominations.

Until I watched Prodigy, I had totally forgotten about the six weeks in 2002 that I shipped this pairing or this episode existence. It might the only time in history that an audience got hetbaited by a straight pairing

Prodigy put in a cheeky little nod to Janeway and Chakotay's combadges getting switch the morning after he was rescued, so I guess he finally tapped that got pegged by Janeway after all, good for him

This episode is a snooze fest and the chemistry between the two is not in existence. Prodigy did it so much better and I bet they weren’t even in the same room together.

As another fun fact, I've found J/C is the third most popular Trek ship on AO3.org behind Kirk/Spock and Kirk/McCoy. Being a straight pairing with any popularity is a minor miracle on that site so I guess it got something right.

That said, if you're not invested in the dynamic, there's very little to get outta this episode unless you wanna see Harry's pair grow three sizes.

Shirogayne just liked this post after all this time so I thought I'd respond to it. I have no fucking idea what I was talking about here and I don't remember this post at all. I don't know what 2009-me was thinking. I'm not even sure what strengths Janeway had or how she... oh, never mind. I was being sarcastic. I just got it. 2009-me, you were a hoot.

So I just watched this episode for the first time in over twenty years. Did you know that this script was written the same week Terry Ferrell got sacked on DS9 and Rick Berman allegedly demanded the rewrite of the creeper being innocent and killing himself?

I'm sure those those two facts are absolutely not related at all

There's certainly an argument to be made that it's the worst episode of the franchise, even edging out Code of Honor, which maybe could've been less offensive if they'd gone with lizard people as was originally intended or Profit and Lace (offensive to trans folks but Quark was solidly depicted to be in the wrong) or Dear Doctor (which fans did like at first but have soured on in recent years but at least was trying, in its clumsy ENT way to tackle the prime directive)

No, this one reeks of Berman influence and even Kate Mulgrew is giving Robert Beltran season five in her line delivery. I'm surprised she even showed up to work that week, given her own history with assault Nothing of value was added and for once, Voyager's tendency to forget about previous events would work in its favor if it got decanonized.

I mean, they didn't even bother finding out what caused Seven to "make up" a story except some vague bullshit about her processing other people's assimilation.

"Pretty mediocre" is a compliment this episode doesn't deserve