It's HIGH TIME the 2nd Amendment was REPEALED. Sorry Gunforge ,your guns must be TAKEN AWAY from you

Do I think that most things not explicit in the constitution should be left up to the states? Yes I do because that's what the tenth amendment says. We can't agree on what to eat for lunch, much less anything else so I don't think the federal government should be involved in local laws.

Here's a list of states with strict gun laws and states with weaker restrictions. I'm not going to go through every state law.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ates-with-the-strictest-and-weakest-gun-laws/

 

This is a map of the US. with states with different colors, this tells me nothing.

 

You do realize more than 200 years has passed since the constitution was conceived, written, and signed, right?
You do know it was written to be a “living” document in that it should be added to and subtracted from, from time to time, right?

And do not send me to a website with someone else’s opinions. I asked you. If you can’t answer, fucking say so.

 

Question 1: Yes.
Question number 2: No the constitution is not a living breathing document, this is a lie invented by the left. Yes, the Constitution can be amended, by all means get it amended. Until then each state has it's own gun restrictions. I posted the Hill article because it aligns with my views and like I said, I'm not going to go through every state law.

 

Invented by the left? …. Well, i can’t deny that as by all accounts, the Founding Fathers were left leaning.

And if you can’t state your own opinions, don’t try to refute mine with someone else’s opinion.

 

The Founding Fathers didn't come of with the concept of a living constitution and I'll do what I damn well please, you are not the boss of me.

 

Amazing.
An almost 1:1 ratio.
States with stringent gun control have the lowest gun violence. And astonishingly, the inverse is also true.

 

Yea. Don’t bitch next time someone accuses you of obfuscating.

 

This is a pet hate of mine. Stop talking about "The Founding Fathers" as a single entity, and stop it now. They were a diverse group of people with different views.

 

Yes. They were. And you should stop referring to fairies and lucky charms and all the bullshit that makes your country special to you.

 

Deal!

 

Fuck's sake, it's only the Yanks that think fairies and lucky charms and dyeing the rivers green and shamrocks in the foam on a Guinness are things that make the Irish proud.

Every Irish person I know (and I've got Irish family) will tell you to avoid "Irish" bars in the US like the fucking plague if they have a shamrock or a leprechaun outside.

 

I just made that up off the top of my head.

Unless you went to school in the US and learned the way we did, then it’s nonsense to bitch about how US Americans refer to the Founding Fathers.

Take your bland overcooked food and shove it up your ass.

 

I like Lucky Charms quite a bit.

 

Also hilarious that a nation that considers meatloaf a dish is ragging on anyone over culinary perfection.

 

Clearly, you've never had a true Midwestern meatloaf.

Probably think peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are vile, too.

Philistines.

 

Weirdos, amiright? Who doesn’t love a good PB&J

 

depends... crunchy or smooth, and then there's the whole question of what type of jam?

I'm more of a marmalade guy. Crunchy and on multigrain.

 

I'll admit, I'm guilty of sometimes snagging one of my kids Uncrustables when I'm up late watching TV with the wife.

 

Always crunchy. Preferably honey roasted. And pretty much always with grape jelly.

 

first off, it seems we're all okay with PB&J

second, isn't the feds overriding state and local what (mostly) got rid of sundown towns in the land of the free, among other things y'all shouldn't be so proud of?

 

I go through phases. Right now, I’m into the smooth and don’t really have a preference for jam. I usually slice up a banana.

 

Tools are used to make weapons.

 

If guns are tools, what are they tools for?

 

well, i used to pack one of these...


I suppose it could be a weapon if you beat somebody with it, or got REALLY close.

 

Er, okay. From lucky charms to bland food.

Not getting at you specifically. There's obviously a thing in the US education system to mythologise the founders, and that tends to obscure their existence as actual human beings.
Yet if you want to have a discussion about the second amendment, originalism and what they thought of these things, you won't get very far without abandoning this childish bullshit. It is based on a false premise.
They were not of one mind, and it's not a mystery what they thought. They wrote extensively, often opposing each other. For instance, Alexander Hamilton took a non-literal view of things, with wide latitude in interpreting what powers the constitution implicitly gave the federal government (as is used to justify gun control) whereas Madison and Jefferson sought to argue for a literal reading where the government was entitled to do only what was specifically stated (used to justify gun rights).
In any event, you aren't beholden to what they thought. They lived in a pre-industrial era with little resemblance to ours. Your attempt to cast them as "left" instead of "right" to the extent that those terms are even relevant to them is ill-judged. The US Constitution was a very conservative document, seen by most of those involved as a necessary corrective to the flaws in the earlier Articles of Confederation.

 

All of that is true. And not unknown to thinking people even in the US.

If you want a serious discussion, might want to avoid general insults - especially when it comes to something like that. Yes, children in the US are taught from a young age to mythologize the Founding Fathers. Hell, just the term “founding fathers” has always been an issue with me. But, just because we use a term like “founding fathers” doesn’t mean we don’t know all of what you just said. We are taught all that in fucking kindergarten. We use it as a general term because they wrote one document. Despite their differences, they all came together to create one constitution for one direction for one country.

Understanding others might help you frame your argument in such a way that rather than insulting your ‘opponent’, you can actually engage with them on a level that they understand and THEN you might change their mind.

 

My mother in law uses nothing more than what is essentially a pellet gun to keep squirrels and rabbits out of her suburban garden.
My aunt keeps a 410 by her door because the police in her neighborhood have taken issue with the way she runs her life.
Most family members like to hunt and love the taste of venison - which you can’t buy in stores.

 

I didn't insult you, I made what I thought was obviously a fairly hyperbolic demand and it was probably moreso directed at @Steal Your Face. Apologies if you felt offended.

If people know all of this, then why do discussions lapse back into "what the founding fathers intended" nonsense?

 

Because, as I said, we are taught that despite their differences, they all came together to attempt to create a better constitution, a better government.

They didn’t agree on everything, but they were able to put their differences aside to reach a single objective. To create a “more perfect” government.