Affordable Care Act Timeline, or...

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  1. Dayton Kitchens

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    Yes.

    And no one else pays for it either. Though point of fact, diabetes runs in both sides of my family Both types in fact. One of my sisters was diagnosed with insulin dependent Type One (Juvenile) Diabetes when she was only 15 and she was a tall slender basketball player and track star.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Dayton subscribes to Death Panels. Shocker!
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    Have you described what the Independent Payment Advisory Board's function is yet? Or have you been dancing around it so as to avoid admitting that it is, in fact, a body that could colloquially be described as a "death panel", deciding which lifesaving procedures should or should not be funded?
  4. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Juvenile diabetes is an entirely different animal than type 2.

    Family history notwithstanding, your type 2 could be probably be managed with diet and exercise, so you’ve made a lifestyle choice. My guess is you’re taking $4 Walmart metformin and not bothering with finger-sticks or regular A1c monitoring, so your lifestyle will eventually cost someone a great deal of money.
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    Unless you're uninsured that is provably not true.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    The self-styled “wonderful, loving husband and father” has made a point of refusing to provide health insurance for himself or his family.

    That’s why when his $4 oral meds from Walmart are no longer effective (if they even are now, because God forbid he should monitor his glucose regularly), he and his family are in for a big surprise.
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    Yours can be controlled by diet, exercise, and lifestyle changes. Unless you are paying for the entire cost on your own, including checkups, medications, and anything else you need, then others are paying for your "lifestyle induced" disease. And if you use the Walmart $4 prescription, you are costing others money. Most, if not all of the $4 prescriptions at Walmart are loss leaders, which means the costs are made up somewhere else.

    He has a family, and doesn't have insurance for them? But still wants another kid? So Dayton, who do you think should pay for this other kid you want, taxpayers?
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    That's sad. How can someone be a teacher, even a really bad teacher, and not have health insurance? Arkansas must be a complete shithole.
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    "More than 1.1 million million patsies have been suckered!"[/quote]

    Well, congruatulations. Not sure what you're being congratulated for, since you're not the one who forced them into it.

    But I will remind you that a good deal doesn't require coercion.
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    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    ^Fix your tags.
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    Err... then why did you congratulate her, you blithering idiot?
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    Suck my fucking cock, Junior. Seriously. Fill your yapping gap with my fuckin' meat, and make use of your yap hole.
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    KUDOS FOR HAVING THE GUTS TO PUBLICLY ADMIT YOU ENJOY GETTING BLOWN BY GUYS, BUT PUT YOUR WITHERED COCK AWAY AND ANSWER THE GOD DAMNED QUESTION: WHY DID YOU CONGRATULATE HER, YOU DUMB SHIT EATING MOTHERFUCKER? WHY? ANSWER OR STFU AND DIE IN A FIRE!
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  15. garamet

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    Getting back to the cost effectiveness of prevention versus treatment:

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    Health insurance through the public school system is horrendously expensive in Arkansas. It only makes sense if you have a spouse and three or more children.

    As for affording another child. I've priced it. It is more than doable even without insurance.

    And Garamet, I monitor my glucose as often as my doctor advises. No more, no less.
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    But effective Wednesday it'll be cheaper, even in Arkansas.

    Dubious. http://transform.childbirthconnection.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Arkansas.pdf
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    Are you sure you quoted the correct article? I do not think it means what you think it means.


    BTW, if your doctor didn't also advise you that you could control your diabetes with diet and exercise, he was remiss.
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    Would the insurance offered through your job cost more than 9.5% of your income? If so, then you could get a subsidy and you could be paying about 6% of it, with the rest subsidized.
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    Out of curiosity, how many folks have Type 2 in your family versus Type 1? Cuz in my experience the folks that say diabetes runs in the family have horrendous eating habits...while type 1 strikes regardless of outside factors, type 2 is almost entirely caused by poor lifestyle choices. :borg:
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    Currently, to get coverage for myself, my wife and daughter would cost me around 600 dollars a month out of my take home pay. Which amounts to nearly 20% of my take home pay.

    That is 7,200 a year. For half that, I could pay for two ER trips for EACH of my family members plus an annual checkup for each of us.
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    That's today. As of Wednesday, according to the online calculators, it would be <$200 a month.

    You'd know that if you'd bothered to check: http://www.arhealthconnector.org/

    Exactly. Type 1 is an entirely different disease.

    Both of my parents were diabetic. My younger brother’s diabetic. I’m not. No magic. Just exercise and keeping my weight down. :shrug:
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    Except I've actually met with the people who guide teachers in signing up for insurance Garamet and I can tell you flat out that you are wrong.

    Who am I supposed to believe? The person meeting with me with the policies and tables in front of them or a science fiction writer referencing something she found online? The answer is obvious to anyone.

    and be reasonable. Don't you think I would buy insurance if I could get such a good deal on it/
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    Umm... According to the NIH, the average cost of a visit to the ER runs about $2,168. So that 2 visits per person, per year, for your 3 member family would, on average, run you about $13k, which is nearly twice as much as that $7,200 it'd cost you for insurance.

    And, of course, you'd have to be a complete dumbass to ignore the possibility that any one of those visits might easily cost more than just the national average. Then again, it is you we're talking about, isn't it?
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    ER visits tend to be cheaper in this state from what I've observed.
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    Who are these people exactly? And why would you go through the school system now – when you’ve refused to in the past – if you can get a better deal through the exchanges on your own?

    Then again, you misread the article you posted, so you probably can’t be expected to fend for yourself.

    The numerous calculators available online from the Kaiser Foundation, WebMD, etc.?

    The Arkansas health exchange link provided above?
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    How did I misread the article? Teacher's insurance rates were slated to rise by 50% and now "only" 10%.

    Where is the error?
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    Why are you afraid to check the Arkansas health exchange site?
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