Ebola - slow to spread, hard to catch. So something like AIDS?

Discussion in 'The Red Room' started by Zenow, Aug 23, 2014.

  1. Zenow

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    Your crazy pills apparently have also been sitting on a shelf for three year. At the very least. Or, in old WF-style:
    "PROOF!"
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  2. The Flashlight

    The Flashlight Contributes nothing worthwhile Cunt Git

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    Is Garamet still desperately trying to convince everyone the Ebola is an exaggerated threat, because it's distracting from the pre-approved libtard doomsday narratives of global warming, guns and the "war on women?"
  3. Zenow

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    New situation report. So far, there are only 25% of the beds in place to achieve the WHO's 60 day goal of isolating 70% of those infected and safely burying 70% of the ebola casualties by december 1st. Currently there are 1126 of the 4388 needed beds available. There are personnel commitments to staff 30 of the needed 50 ETUs (Ebola Treatment Unit). The 90 day goal, by the way, is 100% - meaning by new year, they want to have every case isolated and every ebola death safely buried.
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    That much is true. This --

    "you just can't use that kind of thing because it would be an unfair and might discriminate against balanced health outcomes. The Army is allowed to use it, but they like to kill people of color, which is why we pay them. The rest of us are supposed to die to form a heart moving narrative about how we're evil, yet helpless."​

    -- is where you came down with a raging case of the stupids.
  5. gturner

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    Washington Times link

    The Dallas hospital that treated Thomas Eric Duncan had a version of the Ebola-screening device used by the U.S. military in West Africa sitting on a shelf, but FDA guidelines prohibited staff from using it on the patient.

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    The FDA responded to Defense One’s story with the following statement:
    • “The FDA understands the importance of quickly diagnosing Ebola cases in the U.S. and abroad. We are committed to working with BioFire and other companies in the most expedited manner to increase the availability of authorized diagnostic tests for Ebola for emergency use during this epidemic. The FDA works extremely rapidly to make a determination on an Emergency Use Authorization once the information is submitted to the agency for review. The FDA may not authorize the use of a diagnostic test before reviewing data about its performance in detecting Ebola virus in human specimens and determining that the standard for authorization is met. Doing so would also be irresponsible and potentially unsafe.”
  6. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    @gturner, how many new cases have there been in the U.S. since you started running around screaming?
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  7. gturner

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    The CDC isn't sure. Several people are being monitored, and they've announced a new policy starting Monday.

    From the AP

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Significantly expanding their vigilance, federal health officials said Wednesday that they would begin monitoring all travelers - even Americans - who come to the U.S. from Ebola-stricken West African nations for 21 days.

    Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the expanded screening would begin Monday in six states - New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, New York and Georgia.

    He said the new system would further protect Americans. "The bottom line is that we have to keep our guard against Ebola," he said.

    Travelers from those countries will be given information cards and a thermometer and be required to make daily check-ins with state or local health officials to report their status. He said the check-ins could be in person, by telephone, Skype or Facetime or through employers - CDC was consulting with the state and local officials to help them work that out.

    The travelers would be required to report any travel plans.

    Frieden said if they don't cooperate, they would be immediately called in.


    A week or so after that the policy will probably be to put such travelers in plastic bubbles surrounded by armed guards for 21 days. But hey, they're still free to come here, so it's not like we're being racist or anything.
  8. gturner

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    BTW, one of the reasons they're coming here is that back in August we said that anyone coming from the infected countries will have their travel visa turned into a permanent resident visa, so they don't have to return to the hot zone. But instead of only having that policy apply to those who were already here in August, it was specifically open-ended so that anyone from the hot zone who manages to get here can stay here permanently - and jump to the head of the line for full US citizenship. That is very likely why Duncan came here.

    Our government has instituted a policy to suck the maximum number of Ebola carriers over to the United States, and both the NIH and CDC director seem to be ignorant about how international travel works, arguing that if the people from the hot zone don't fly directly here then they'll fly here via other countries and we'll be unable to track them. Yet if we stopped issuing the visas, they couldn't fly here from those other countries without getting fake passports that hide their country of origin, along with a fake US visa. With that hurdle in place, they probably wouldn't even try, since there's nothing magic about the US.

    Our new screening policy is in some ways worse for drawing likely Ebola carriers, since we're telling them that if they've been potentially exposed they'll receive immediate medical testing at our airport, continual monitoring, and a trip to our finest hospitals if they are in fact infected. That gives a double incentive for anyone in the hot zone who thinks they may have been exposed to do everything in their power to get on a plane to the United States. Not only are they guaranteed testing, monitoring, and the best care in the world, but they're also guaranteed permanent resident status and a full path to US citizenship - for carrying one of the world's deadliest and most infectious diseases to another continent.
  9. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    So, IOW, no confirmed new cases. Gotcha.
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    Yet the math says that future confirmed cases are inevitable, with three cases per month leaving Africa at present infection levels and travel rates, and that's assuming there is zero incentive for a person who thinks they've been exposed to try and leave the hot zone. So you'd better prepare yourself, because whistling past the graveyard isn't going to work on this outbreak. Those who try will see their political future doomed - which is why the government agencies are now scrambling to try to contain the damage and look like they're on top of things - by tightening up restrictions in any way they can that doesn't fly in the direct face of Obama and the CDC director's public statements.

    When a boss decides on something very stupid, arguing, for example, that having armed guards around the Brinks truck just makes it more likely that it will be robbed, all the underlings have to make up excuses to get armed people in the close proximity of the Brinks truck without getting themselves fired for going against the policy. That's what we're seeing now. At first we weren't even tracking people flying in from Africa. Then we realized that and started screening them. Then we realized that screening wasn't really going to work with this disease, and didn't with Duncan. Then we realized that we weren't even screening all of them. So we routed all the incoming travelers to airports where we could screen them. Come next Monday we'll be actively monitoring them all and won't allow them to travel within the US without contacting authorities. That's a round-about, middle-management way of getting around the idiot boss who keeps letting them come to the US.

    But we still won't be monitoring any of the people they came in contact with, and the people we're monitoring also won't really know most of the people they came in contact with because they're from Africa and don't know who any of us are. When the next case pops up we'll realize that contact tracing fails when a stranger doesn't know anybody's names. So the next bungling step will be to let them travel here, but keep them in isolation for 21 days.

    When you look at past plagues in history, and read about their idiotic responses, you want to bang your head and say "How could they be so stupid?!" We are those people.
  11. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    Your math? The guy who thinks influenza and the common cold are the same thing? I'll bet. You make sure to keep us updated.
  12. gturner

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    Um, no, it was the math published in The Lancet yesterday. And you're the one who doesn't know the difference between a cold and the flu.
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    :rotfl:

    I thought Stephanie Meyer was a terrible fiction writer until gturner came here.
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  14. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    So, like Federal Farmer, you don't understand what "potential" means.
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    And we have a new confirmed case in New York City. That didn't take long. Now they have to try and run down all the people who were bowling with him at a popular hot spot, days after he started feeling bad and started running a fever, plus the Uber drivers who transported him, plus everyone who rode the subway with him (good luck with that, New York). Thankfully, after the night on the town with raging Ebola, he quarantined himself because his temperature was 103F.
  16. garamet

    garamet "The whole world is watching."

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    You're going to be soooo disappointed if nobody dies, aren't you? :itsokay:
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  18. gturner

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    With Ebola running loose in the Gutters in Brooklyn and New York subways, there's not much chance of nobody dying unless everyone is very, very lucky. You can expect revised CDC and US entry procedures by Wednesday.
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    Some of that is true. Nobody uses public transit in Dallas. But New York....fugitaboutit... :zombie:
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    I don't think New Yorkers are going to fall for the line that a person with Ebola shouldn't ride public transportation because they might infect someone else, but everyone else can ride public transportation because they can't catch Ebola by riding next to someone who has it.
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    True, most New Yorkers understand what he actually meant by that. The guy didn't have symptoms when he rode the subway, didn't throw up on anybody. He caught it in Guinea, and there is no evidence he transmitted it to anybody here. But you keep framing out, it entertains.
  22. gturner

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    Last year at his time, nobody in West Africa had Ebola. Then one did. Look where we are now.

    Iowahawk nailed it tonight.

    "You shouldn't be bowling with Ebola."
    "Yeah, well, like, that's just your opinion man."
    #Ebowling
    #TheDudeEbides


    Michelle Malkin tweeted:
    Now we get to watch smug NYC journos who were lecturing everyone else not to freak out about Ebola...freak out about Ebola.
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    He said he was feeling very tired several days prior to getting on the subway, and was blowing off his fever symptoms. And of course there was no evidence Duncan transmitted it to anyone until nurses started getting sick - one on a vacation to Ohio. So the CDC corralled everyone who'd treated Duncan, including a lab tech on a cruise ship with 4,000 other people, just in case, and they're still watching the people who flew on the Frontier Airlines jet (now dubbed The Ebola Gay).

    New York possibly hasn't even figured out which subway car the doctor was on, much less who else was on it with him. Only four people have been identified as contacts so far, out of hundreds he might have had close contact with that night. And all this mess due to an Ebola MD from Doctors Without Borders. If the CDC had to pick someone to come down with Ebola in a major metropolitan area, this is the guy they would've picked because he knows all the protocols and procedures and would exercise extreme prudence. Imagine if a random west African came down with it in New York! Depending on how much of the virus the doctor may have been shedding during his jaunt, the contact tracing method that works in small African villages is going to be put to a severe test.
  24. Man Afraid of his Shoes

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    Have you gone down to your local prepper store to get you some pandemic supplies yet?
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  25. gturner

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    Already have them. You don't wait for disaster to prep, you prep long beforehand. :)
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    How hard is it to type with three layers of gloves?
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    Not that hard if you size them right. I also usually wear two layers of gloves when I'm caving.

    As an aside, I found an interesting MIT thesis on anti-viral surface coatings for polyethylene and latex that were very effective at killing herpes, rotavirus, and polio on contact.
  28. Zenow

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    A couple of months ago nobody had ebola in Nigeria. Then a few did. Now, nobody does.
    A couple of cases of ebola do not make an apocalypse. Please restrict your silly posts to the panic thread; serious discussion is welcome here.
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  29. gturner

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    Nigeria stopped Ebola by tackling the carrier at the airport and wrestling him to the ground. He still infected quite a few people, but the Nigerians knew who those people might be and tracked them all down, while closing themselves off from the hot zone so new cases wouldn't arrive and swamp their tracking abilities. In contrast, before we get through the 21 day window of exposure from this case, well over 600 people from the hot zone will arrive in New York, going through the same screening process the doctor passed.

    We let an Ebola carrier run around all over New York and have no idea who was with him. He even went on a three mile run while fatigued, huffing and puffing past who knows how many people. Then he rode the subways and went bowling at a popular hot spot. This morning we find out that the cops who cleaned out his apartment threw their gear into a public trash can on the street. That wouldn't even fly in Monrovia.

    Hubris, indifference, and incompetence are a fatal combination when you're dealing with a highly lethal pandemic viral hemorrhagic fever. Instead of decrying "fear", you should realize that in outbreaks like this, instinctual fear is what keeps people alive. That's why it stays written in our DNA. City dwellers who don't share a level of fear about a lethal pandemic disease that's afoot tend to exit the gene pool in a very ugly fashion.
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  30. Zombie

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    Nigeria closed it's borders to that part of Africa. And they've been aggressive in making sure it doesn't come into their country. Unlike America.

    I hope that no one else catches it in New York other then this doctor because it will be the subway that spreads it.