Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-crossing-closed-after-attack-1.7194741

Israel closed its main crossing point for delivering badly needed humanitarian aid for Gaza on Sunday after Hamas militants attacked it.

The Israeli military reported 10 projectiles were launched at the crossing in southern Israel and said its fighter jets later struck the source.

Hamas said it had been targeting Israeli soldiers in the area. Israel's Channel 12 TV channel said 10 people were wounded, three seriously.

It was unclear how long the crossing would be closed.

It's almost redundant at this stage to point it out, but they're lying. The target was a military one, 2km away from the crossing.

Weird how regular Gazans are apparently starving but Hamas still has so many missiles to play with. Israel's fault, obviously.

So, Netanyahu shot down the latest truce agreement after Hamas accepted it. And now they've started telling people to get out of Rafah.
If this proceeds, it will be an order of magnitude worse than anything they've done so far.

On a completely unrelated note, they just banned Al Jazeera, who have been reporting their atrocities, unlike most of the rest of the international media.

Wonder what the suicide rate is currently for the rave survivors (speaking of atrocities) and wonder how the remaining hostages have fared.

Nothing like using Palestinians as human shields to try to twist the rhetoric in your direction.

Illustrating the reason why individual rights should never be subject to majority approval.

You realize it is possible for two different governments to be doing something wrong at the same time, right? That thinking Hamas is wiring does not mean Israel is in the right?
Or do you only see things as an either/or?
I think I know the answer.

Thank you for explaining that, Captain Obvious. Now I'm going to have to reconsider my non-existent support for Islamism, hostage-taking and indiscriminate rocket fire.

Where in Ireland do you live Rick?

South Armagh.

You say Captain Obvious, but really, getting you to criticize Hamas is like pulling teeth. Observe:

2KM is nothing for a missile. Especially missiles handled as incompetently as Hamas does. And if you've criticized Hamas for threatening to bomb the aid docks the US was building, I haven't seen it.

Yeah, it's true that I'm not willing to conform to your demands for what I criticise and why. Both the farcical "aid dock" and the lies about attacking the crossing are meant to provide an alibi to the Israelis for the starvation of the Gazan population, and I'm not playing ball with that.

So...who was starving the Gazans before all that?
How did Hamas get so many missiles, but no food (well, none for everyone else at least).
Or do you think Hamas is negotiating in good faith?

2000 meters is nothing for some direct-fire weapons, like tank guns.

Well, they've attacked it now.

Would like to hear the ceasefire proposal, so far details are being kept under wrap, but if it involves a cessation of hostilities I can't see how Israel could accept that. Reality is that is just accepting waiting until Hamas are in a position to attack again.

This needs to be an opportunity to make a long term peace, not hit pause for a couple of years. It's a grim calculation, but Palestinian deaths now might be the price for a couple of generations down the line to have a better future than waiting for the next time the IDF play whack-a-mole.

well, no... the point was that most destination countries are freer than the US. Kinda completely the opposite of just northeast of Africa and probably why she mentioned Belgium and New Zealand.

It's bullshit actually..33 of the hostages in exchange for a couple thousand of theirs along with 6 weeks of cease fire. Fuck that bullshit. Secure the crossing and finish the fucking job already.

https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-799987

Interesting take on the amount of aid currently getting through.

"It's bullshit actually..33 of the hostages in exchange for a couple thousand of theirs along with 6 weeks of cease fire. Fuck that bullshit. Secure the crossing and finish the fucking job already."


I got the deal wrong? What's your problem? They're going to finish the job.

That's all that matters.

Oh never mind, I see the stupid corner is reacting. Good luck with that.

The battle for Rafah has begun in Gaza, and it’s an essential part of Israel’s war of self-defense against Hamas. The terrorist group’s leaders have dragged out negotiations for a cease-fire for months, with no intention of freeing hostages while President Biden shielded their stronghold from attack. Now the masterminds of Oct. 7 are learning that Mr. Biden can’t protect them. “No amount of pressure, no decision by any international forum, will stop Israel from defending itself,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday. “If Israel is forced to stand alone, Israel will stand alone. But we know we are not alone, because countless decent people around the world support our cause.”

Early Monday morning Israel ordered the evacuation of eastern Rafah, directing civilians to safety. In the afternoon Israeli tanks advanced. The plan is to evacuate and fight in the city piece by piece, swiftly moving civilians north and west without leaving Hamas free to tie down the people as human shields.

Objections are pouring in from the usual suspects. France says displacing Rafah’s civilians is a crime. Would it prefer that Israel fight among them, or simply leave Hamas alone? Unrwa says that it will resist evacuation. The United Nations refugee agency again puts its anti-Israel ideology above the safety of Palestinian civilians. The invasion of Rafah was made necessary on Oct. 7, when Hamas slaughtered 1,200 Israelis. At that moment it became impossible for Israel to allow Hamas to control territory, remain in power and plan the next massacre, as the terrorists pledge. Mr. Biden’s decision to set himself against any move on Rafah is hard to understand. Since there was no other way Israel could achieve its objectives, it put the President on the side of Israeli defeat and Hamas victory.

He now has a chance to reset and support Israel so it can finish its Hamas campaign as quickly as possible. As a senior Israeli official points out, “This Administration never supports anything we do until we do it.” In October the White House privately opposed any ground invasion of Gaza. It came around when Israel did what it had to do—as it’s doing now. Rafah hosts Hamas’s leaders, four terrorist battalions, hostages and border crossing with Egypt, from which it controls incoming aid and smuggles in military supplies. It is the crucial city for the terrorist group’s future. Only when Rafah is in danger of falling will Hamas be ready to hand over its remaining hostages.

After Israel announced the civilian evacuation on Monday, Hamas finally moved fast to submit a counteroffer. Interesting what real pressure can accomplish. Recall that after Israel blitzed Gaza City in November, Hamas released 105 hostages for a breather.

Despite media reports, by Monday night Hamas hadn’t “accepted” a genuine cease-fire-for-hostages deal. It made its own offer that Israel end the war, which means accepting defeat. In reply, Israel’s war cabinet, which includes Mr. Netanyahu’s main political rival, unanimously decided to move forward in Rafah while sending negotiators “to exhaust the possibility of reaching an agreement.”

If Mr. Biden wants a cease-fire that matters, he will support Israel and let Hamas remember what it’s like to negotiate with its back against the wall.

I am going to have to charge you a Tererune tax on that there word wall of tldr you done posted.

I walked by Columbia University on Monday. The place has become a militarized zone thanks to the asshat protestors.

Well, my days of not taking them seriously are coming to a middle.

The Biden admin has indefinitely delayed its report on whether Israel has violated humanitarian law in Gaza.

The State Department was supposed to issue the report today. If it had concluded there was a violation, the U.S. would be expected to stop sending Israel military aid.

politi.co/3QBIQsz

I wonder why this is. Hard to spin mass graves containing ziptied doctors and kids as being acceptable, I suppose.

I realise I missed out "permanent" as the unacceptable to Isreal bit.

A six week ceasefire to get aid into Gaza and move civilians away from Rafah doesn't seem like a bad deal, for the first stage, bumping up the numbers of Palestinians released in exchange for a veto on who gets released should hopefully get that through.

The permanent end isn't happening how Hamas wants it to though, there needs to be a suitable carrot dangled before the political side of Hamas to accept they're not going to be an official power in Gaza for a while, if ever. Netanyahu cannot allow that, or Israel, and not just politically, as it would be seen as a victory for Hamas.

No idea what that carrot could be though, it's not like Hamas give any more of a shit about the Palestinians than the likes Gvir do.

I grew up being hated by these people. They lie, and kill when they can. Oct 7th was a "moral victory" for them. There is only one way this gets finished and that's either the expulsion or the elimination of these terrorists. The Palestinians are complicit: They elect and re-elect these monsters every time there's an election. Hamas (and Hezbollah, the Houthis and Iran et al) and the Israelis will never get along, and all the cells ONLY want the complete destruction of the Israeli state.

Meanwhile, the human shield thing these pieces of shit use is working. Civilians get killed in the process and the "world community" is outraged.

Clean out Rafah and get them the fuck out of Gaza. That's the only solution. Sad, but true. The Palestinians deserve better, but they brought this on themselves.

You should probably check your logic when it comes from a guy who was trapped with Castle, Sprained dumbass, and Gturner in the WF booby hatch and penalty box.

It is all the palestinians fault for living there when ww2 ended and the anti-semetic world needed a place to stick the jews because no country wanted them. Had they actually been considered people by the white christian world they could have said no to the jews also, but being brown we gave their land to the zionists because it wasn't ours.

A step in the right direction as the Biden Administration begins to condition and withhold offensive weapons. They'll never say so but pressure and protest works.

The IDF already have stockpiles and might still proceed with the slaughter that they intend. But the political message this sends is just as important. If it saves one life it will have been worth it. And more is still needed.

What complete bullshit.