Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

It took me three seconds to find the mandate on the UNs own website, why don't you just post it and prove he's lying?

https://unifil.unmissions.org/faqs

How does UNIFIL ensure security in south Lebanon?

Maintaining a stable and secure environment in the area is first and foremost the responsibility of the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF). UNIFIL assists and supports the LAF, including in their efforts to ensure that the area between the Litani River and the Blue Line is free of illegal weapons and is not used for any hostile activity. Acting in support of a request from the Government of Lebanon, the Security Council has authorized UNIFIL to take all necessary action in areas of deployment of its forces and as it deems within its capabilities, to ensure that its area of operations is not utilized for hostile activities of any kind; to resist attempts by forceful means to prevent it from discharging its duties; and support the Government of Lebanon to secure its borders and other entry points to prevent the entry in Lebanon without its consent of arms or related materiel.

There's been literally thousands of rocket attacks from UNIFIL 'security' zones in south Lebanon into Israel in the last year. This is beyond dispute.

Hezbollah has free reign of movement and de facto controls South Lebanon. The LAF doesn't not have any operational presence in South Lebanon, as it is controlled by Hezbollah, which now is part of the Lebanese government.

During that time Hezbollah has come to dominate South Lebanon.

And about 25% of the ground troops stationed by UNIFIL in this region come from nations that don't recognize the existence of Israel as a state. Maybe this is why they posted the troop movements of the IDF, putting their soldiers in harms way, during the last war.

Hmmm. Maybe they should do their job or get the fuck out - they've been there since 1978.

Two dead, eight wounded after barrage of 90 rockets pummel northern Israel

Approximately 90 rockets were identified crossing from Lebanon towards the Upper Galilee and Haifa Bay on Wednesday, killing two people in Kiryat Shmona and wounding eight, the IDF and MDA announced. The military reported that 20 launches were detected towards Kiryat Shmona alone.

The two killed were a couple, a man and a woman, both aged 40, Israeli media reported. They sustained fatal wounds due to falling shrapnel while walking their dogs and did not have time to enter the protected area, Ynet reported.

A total of eight people were brought to the Rambam Health Care Campus in Haifa for medical treatment, with one in serious condition and the rest suffering from minor wounds.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-823909

Seems like Hezbollah is happy to let the fighting continue. Perhaps the people of Lebanon should address that?

Well, he's just proved that himself by posting an excerpt from that website that says something entirely different from what he claimed. But doing this would be a full-time job, so whatever.

It can be argued that UNIFIL's mandate was ineffective, but that's at least somewhat because TPTB wanted it to be. If they had more authority to use force to enforce 1701, then that would undoubtedly require shooting down IDF planes as much as keeping Hezbollah back. But funny how the Israeli regime wants UN resolutions enforced on this occasion. How many are they in breach of?

Here's the UN with some more "Muslim terrorist propaganda" about the IDF "not fucking around". Alternatively, Israel should be expelled from that organisation and heavily sanctioned until they cease committing these crimes.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...s-and-crimes-against-humanity-israeli-attacks

Oh, look, a strongly worded letter.

That ought to do it. Should be over any time now.

Thanks Rick!

Israel killing Sistani would be very VERY bad.



He is THE leader of 12er Shia Islam (Khamenei studied under him) and a moderating influence in Iraq. He and his followers are the moderate pro-nationalist (anti-Iranian influence) Iraqi Shia bloc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_al-Sistani?wprov=sfti1#Grand_Ayatollah

Pretty much, yeah.

They're condemning Israel for not following the rules of war when Israel is simply responding in kind to Hamas and Hezbollah not following those same rules, as confirmed by rescued hostages. It's ridiculous.

So, are you guys pretending that this stuff isn't happening or is it that you're fine with it? Hard to keep track.

Also, you do realize that this argument is also a justification for the October 7th attack and much else?

I'm just one guy last time I checked.

Regardless, certain folks will insist on feigning outrage over the IDF engaging Gazan hospitals and Gazan ambulances, then have nothing to say when rescued hostages talk about being held by Hamas in Gazan hospitals and transported by Hamas in Gazan ambulances. Either Gazan hospitals and Gazan ambulances are off limits for both sides, or they're fair game for both sides. Hamas decided they were fair game for both sides when they decided to use them.

There is no justification for the October 7th attack. Absolutely none. Get fucked.

Rick be like: Child abuse is inexcusable... but, the kid was colouring too loudly.

Uh-huh. So that doesn't answer the question. The UN report says that the IDF are engaged in a policy of extermination and deliberate destruction of the health system, among much else, not that they're incidentally doing these things because Hamas are there. Is that not happening or are you good with it?

I agree with that.
You're the one making the argument that there is such a justification. Isn't it okay to break the laws of war if the other side does it first?

They're misrepresenting what's happening. It's like claiming the cops molested you because they cavity searched you to find the multiple concealed weapons you were carrying and refused to hand over. Context matters.

Nah. So long as you dignify the justifications put forth by terrorists by repeating them, you're implicitly lending your support to those justifications. If you tell your coworkers about a hobo shitting on your lawn, do you mention that the CIA put radio transmitters in his teeth, or how he's a secret billionaire that owns the deed to Saskatchewan? No, because those are insane ramblings with no basis in reality. You just say that a hobo shit on your lawn while talking nonsense.

Well, at least that constitutes an answer. I encourage anyone who thinks that it's at all satisfactory to read the report and its citations.

Righto. So, again, if it's okay to do war crimes if the other side does them first, how are you not saying October 7th was okay? On what basis are you against it?

Bailey already tried this shit not too long ago, and I already answered him. He was stupid and wrong then, much like how you're stupid and wrong now.

Asking a question is stupid and wrong? Why won't you answer it?

I bolded the relevant bit for you. I know English isn't your first language, but you've got to try harder.

1) The UN isn't worth the powder to blow it to hell.

2) The antisemitic college kids (and adults) should be shipped to Gaza to fight. Put their money where their big mouths are. Lucky I never ran into any of their protests while I was up in NYC the last few years, or I'd have got in trouble 'cause I'd have walked past them, both fingers held high. You know which ones.

There's your meat to chew on for a day or two, WF trolls. Enjoy!

You've bolded nothing, so yeah, I suppose you've bolded the relevant bit.

Truth is, nearly all of your justifications for Israeli atrocities can be applied to Hamas ones as well. Your only problem with October 7th is the identity of the victims.

Apparently it is, since they mounted another attack on UNIFIL this morning. I only hope those guys are being given updated rules of engagement allowing them to return fire to defend themselves.

Maybe we should send ALL boomers to Vietnam

Okay, everyone arguing that Israelis aren't crossing any lines, or that there aren't Israeli leaders who want to kill 'em all and let Jehovah sort them out, raise your hand right now.

Christ, you're a stupid bastard. Or a lying bastard? Either way, I'm 100% certain you were born out of wedlock.

From less than two weeks ago, ya lazy shit.

Israel Land Authority to transform UNRWA complex into major housing development

The Israel Land Authority (ILA) announced on Thursday that the Jerusalem complex of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) will be turned into an apartment complex.

According to the information on the ILA website, the project is already in the preparation stages.

The UNRWA complex, located in Ma'alot Dafna, Jerusalem, is planned to become a housing project with 1,440 units.

In May, Ynet reported that the ILA informed UNRWA that it must vacate the premises it had been using and pay Israel tens of millions of shekels in overdue rent accumulated over the years they had been using the property.

The IDF uncovered evidence that UNRWA workers were involved in the October 7 massacre, and multiple instances were found where Hamas terror infrastructure was embedded within UNRWA facilities in the Gaza Strip.

Maj. Shay Rosengarten, chairman of Im Tirtzu, the leading organization in the struggle to remove UNRWA from Israel, said in response, "Congratulations to ILA for the quick action. The UNRWA employees who were involved in the October 7th massacre must be punished most severely, and the rest deported."

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-824191

This doesn’t seem helpful. The Settlers aren’t the good guys here.

I should clarify that the capital S was intentional.

When I say Settlers I mean the political/religious movement.

Those folks are fucking nuts. They publicly espouse ethnic cleansing as they believe god has commanded them to do it.

Until Netanyahu needed them to stay in power/out of prison they were a political pariah. Too crazy.

But now they are in government and their main goal has been to subsidize settlement to broaden its appeal/acceptance.

So now there are economic settlers. People that aren’t taking a house because god said it was their right but because they can cut their mortgage in half while doubling their house, have a shorter commute and have their kids in a brand new school with max government subsidy.

Those folks I consider settlers (and I morally disagree with their stance but I can understand it) and different from the capital S Settlers.

Sorry, but this mealy-mouthed bullshit doesn't cut it when you've been enthusiastically supporting mass murder both before and since.

It's totally incongruent with saying that it's okay to commit war crimes, as you have.

And doesn't even begin to address the issue of having said that it's okay to commit war crimes if the other side does it first, the war crimes committed by Hamas would therefore be fine with you.

Neither is UNRWA.

Purge the bad actors from UNRWA, bring trustworthy people in, and let them keep doing their work.

Nah, because UNRWA itself is structured to be a bad actor. UNHCR accounts for every other refugee crisis in the world, and it helps people get settled and rebuild their lives.

UNRWA says that Palestinians have the right to return, and are infiltrated by Hamas personnel that routinely state that Israel shouldn't exist. One of them was a leading terrorist dealing in weapons for Hamas while being a leading educator in UNRWA, and when he was suspended nearly 40,000 Palestinian children refused to go to school until he was reinstated.

They continue to claim refugee status for descendants of the Palestinians who have citizenship and have been settled successfully for 3 generations. Billionaires are 'refugees' according to them.

No other conflict in world history has made these claims. Only UNRWA, only for Palestine, and it's original mandate was supposed to be temporary.

It's very existence makes that claim that Israel is not a valid state.

Well past time for it to go.