Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

Trump: Hold my Big Mac.

A video circulating online shows an IDF soldier firing heavy weaponry in celebration of Donald Trump’s election victory.

Not only will Palestinians NOT be getting their own separate state, they are going to lose their remaining homes and lands in the territories as well.

Whoever isn’t killed off will be forced to find refuge in neighboring countries. Whatever has happened prior was just the warm-up. We are going to see some real genocide now.

It's weird, because questioning any of Israel's motives gets you labelled as a Hamas supporter, yet some of their loudest supporters also seem to think only the force of the US Govt is holding them back from doing horrible things.

Sorry, I overlooked this somehow.
Considering the abysmal ways the polls predicted anything this election, I'm suspect.
And more likely/less likely is such a shitty measure anyway. All it says is "Well, the issue isn't important enough on its own to change my mind." Which is kind of what I'm saying. There aren't enough people who would have moved the needle over that one issue for it to be worth Harris appearing to side with terrorists against Jews.

I question Israel's motives. I think Netanyahu is only too happy to have an excuse to exterminate the Palestinians.
I do believe the US was holding them back. But now? Eeesh.

Gaza’s top Islamic scholar issues fatwa criticising 7 October attack

The most prominent Islamic scholar in Gaza has issued a rare, powerful fatwa condemning Hamas’s 7 October 2023 attack on Israel, which triggered the devastating war in the Palestinian territory.

Professor Dr Salman al-Dayah, a former dean of the Faculty of Sharia and Law at the Hamas-affiliated Islamic University of Gaza, is one of the region’s most respected religious authorities, so his legal opinion carries significant weight among Gaza’s two million population, which is predominantly Sunni Muslim.

A fatwa is a non-binding Islamic legal ruling from a respected religious scholar usually based on the Quran or the Sunnah - the sayings and practices of the Prophet Muhammad.

Dr Dayah’s fatwa, which was published in a detailed six-page document, criticises Hamas for what he calls “violating Islamic principles governing jihad”.

Jihad means “struggle” in Arabic and in Islam it can be a personal struggle for spiritual improvement or a military struggle against unbelievers.

Dr Dayah adds: “If the pillars, causes, or conditions of jihad are not met, it must be avoided in order to avoid destroying people’s lives. This is something that is easy to guess for our country’s politicians, so the attack must have been avoided.”

For Hamas, the fatwa represents an embarrassing and potentially damaging critique, particularly as the group often justifies its attacks on Israel through religious arguments to garner support from Arab and Muslim communities.

Dr Dayah argues that the significant civilian casualties in Gaza, together with the widespread destruction of civilian infrastructure and humanitarian disaster that have followed the 7 October attack, means that it was in direct contradiction to the teachings of Islam.

Hamas, he says, has failed in its obligations of “keeping fighters away from the homes of defenceless [Palestinian] civilians and their shelters, and providing security and safety as much as possible in the various aspects of life... security, economic, health, and education, and saving enough supplies for them.”

Dr Dayah points to Quranic verses and the Sunnah that set strict conditions for the conduct of jihad, including the necessity of avoiding actions that provoke an excessive and disproportionate response by an opponent.

His fatwa highlights that, according to Islamic law, a military raid should not trigger a response that exceeds the intended benefits of the action.

He also stresses that Muslim leaders are obligated to ensure the safety and well-being of non-combatants, including by providing food, medicine, and refuge to those not involved in the fighting.

“Human life is more precious to God than Mecca,” Dr Dayah states.

His opposition to the 7 October attack is especially significant given his deep influence in Gaza, where he is seen as a key religious figure and a vocal critic of Islamist movements, including Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

His moderate Salafist beliefs place him in direct opposition to Hamas’s approach to armed resistance and its ties to Shia-ruled Iran.

Salafists are fundamentalists who seek to adhere the example of the Prophet Muhammad and the first generations who followed him.

Dr Dayah has consistently argued for the establishment of an Islamic caliphate that adheres strictly to Islamic law, rather than the political party-based systems that Hamas and other groups advocate.

“Our role model is the Prophet Muhammad, who founded a nation and did not establish political parties that divide the nation. Therefore, parties in Islam are forbidden,” he said in a sermon he gave at a mosque several years ago.

He has also condemned extremism, opposing jihadist groups like Islamic State and al-Qaeda, and has used all of his platforms to issue fatwas on various social and political issues, ranging from commercial transactions, social disputes over marriage and divorce, to the conduct of political violence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj4vw1l8xvdo

ADA (Air Defense Artillery) active in Tehran and two other northern cities.

‘Free Palestine’ stickers backed with razor blades found outside Amsterdam Holocaust museum

Only days after Israeli soccer fans were attacked in Holland’s capital city, “Free Palestine” stickers with hidden razor blades were found across Amsterdam, Dutch news De Telefraaf reported on Saturday night, citing police.

A number of the stickers were found outside the city’s Holocaust Museum, but police are unsure how many may be spread across the city.

The hidden blades underneath the stickers prevent them from being safely removed, cutting individuals who attempt to do so.

On Thursday night, Israeli Maccabi Tel Aviv fans were assaulted, chased, and robbed in the streets of Amsterdam following a match with Ajax - in what perpetrators described in internal communications as a ‘Jew hunt.

https://m.jpost.com/international/article-828315

I remember when I followed some antifa groups years ago they warned about Nazis doing this exact thing.

Re: Amsterdam, Israeli football hooligans (including IDF & Mossad members) spent two days before the match assaulting people, damaging property (including burning a taxi) and generally intimidating the locals with chants about "Death to the Arabs" and "There are no schools left in Gaza because we killed all the kids". During their teams 5-0 defeat (LOL) they disrespected the minutes silence for victims of flooding in Spain by letting off fireworks and singing more of their genocidal songs. When they started again after the match, they got a hiding. It turns out that streetfighting isn't as easy as slaughtering women and children.

Obviously none of this violence is good and there certainly were innocents affected, but to call it a pogrom is an insult to victims of actual pogroms and the mainsteam media have embarrassed themselves even more than usual in trying to portray it as such.

If only they were a fraction as animated about the fact that Jabalia hasn't had any food or water in five weeks.

The ones doing the chanting, and ripping down flags, I'm cool with them getting their heads kicked in. I've known enough hoolies to know they're just cunts regardless of creed.

The organised tracking down though? Yeah, that's not a good look.

Regardless of where you stand, I think everyone is well aware that Netanyahu is reliant on the far-right keeping him in power, and, as someone with an oversized saviour complex, will justify anything to himself to retain that power.

So yeah, for now, the US is holding him back, and why most people would dearly love to see him out of power.

What is the evidence of the US holding him back? What have they held him back from?

Your concern for innocent people is very moving.

Do you seriously not remember when the IDF bombed Iran like last week and the US convinced them in advance to not attack certain sites? Do you have a concussion?

With Iran, yeah. Maybe even in the West Bank. Not seeing much evidence of it in Gaza though. Biden temporarily held off on one shipment of bombs.

No concussion, he's just a Nazi that supports terrorism.

As I posted, before the election, the US made a list of 19 demands of the Israelis to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza. The deadline expired yesterday, and the Israelis failed to meet any of them (e.g. there are 42 trucks going in per day rather than 350). Instead, things have deteriorated.

In Northern Gaza, the IDF let in a tiny amount of aid. Then they bombed the aid, the people the aid was delivered to, and burnt down the school they were sheltering in.

The US State Department announced what they would be doing in response...nothing. This is in violation of US law, which prohibits assistance to those who block US aid.

A blank cheque to Israel accompanied by devious PR maneuvers and crocodile tears will in a few weeks be replaced by a blank cheque accompanied by more honest genocidal rhetoric.

https://x.com/ASE/status/1856400123791835594

Acclaimed British surgeon Nizam Mamode breaks down briefly while testifying to the UK Parliament about Israel’s quadcopters picking off kids who had just been bombed.

I don't know what to think anymore.

I'm inclined to support the side fighting Islamic terrorism, which is a particularly virulent form of terror that needs to be utterly eradicated. But what Israel is doing does not seem like fighting terrorism anymore; it's total war with no clear end or goals in sight. If Israel isn't actively engaged in genocide, what are they engaged in?

Not trying to score a rhetorical point with that last question, I'm sincerely interested in responses.

Boycott calls over Israeli cast as Mary in Netflix’s Jesus mom epic

Claiming mother of Jesus was Palestinian, social media users say it's offensive to cast Israeli actress as titular character in movie amid war in Gaza

Some pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel activists identify Jesus and his parents as Palestinian even though Biblical lore states they were Jewish and lived in the territory then called Judea.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/boyco...-as-mary-in-netflix-epic-on-jesus-mother/amp/

Wow.

To get philosophical for a minute, when does a war end if the side that's losing refuses to surrender in a manner acceptable to the side that's winning?

I'll get ahead of responses, it's all either fake news, those kids were terrorists, or they deserve it because two decades ago their parents or grandparents decided to vote for what at the time seemed like the lesser of two evils.

wut

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Gaza is still just about there, and there are Palestinians living/dying there.

I'm pretty sure the right wing crazies keeping him in power would much prefer to be prepping it for Disneyland Zion, and if they felt they could, would.

That's exactly what they are doing in the north, the population of which they are in the process of expelling or starving to death. The plan is for Palestinians to be herded into "gated communities" (nice little euphamism there) controlled with biometrics. Outside of these there will be no aid, and there will be Jewish settlements.

As to whether Gaza is still "there", that, which underlines the point in itself, depends on what your definition of "there" is. The ruins are there.

When I was much younger, probably 8 or 9, I got into a fight with someone that I got in a position where I just kept kneeing them in the face.

Memory is hazy back from then, given it was round 4 decades ago, but I still just about recall them begging for me to stop, and I didn't because I was terrified that if I did, they'd beat me up.

So, I think there is a bit of that.

Then there is what happens after the war. Netanyahu has no plans, the far-right keeping him on power won't tolerate a 2 state solution, the rest of the world wants one. Whilst there is a war, the future of a Palestinian state is something of a Schrodinger's Cat, the end of the war opens the box, and if the cat is dead or alive, Netanyahu's career is over. Whilst it is neither, his career survives. It would have been difficult for Hamas to have picked a worse time to

This is a situation I park firmly at the feet of the West and Arab states, the time to roast Israels feet over a fire was before the war started.

Our modern milquetoast leaders have been absolute failures in holding Israel to task, and even when they have it's been hush-hush.

They may be attempting to do it in the north, but why aren't they doing it all across Gaza? Why haven't they already done it? It'd take the Israel AF all of a day to convert Gaza in a lifeless land of bones and rubble.

Why aren't they doing it? What's holding Netanyahu back from going full fucking Godzilla on the place? Netanyahu got gifted a conscience? His Far Right support asking him to be more conscientious of Palestinian lives?

Or because he doesn't want completely destroy support from the West, primarily the US?

This is him on a leash, bit of a threadbare one, and the bloke holding it hasn't much left in the marbles department, but it's a leash.

I think any dream of an independent Palestinian state went "poof" on November 6th.

The charitable interpretation of these postings is that you simply have not been paying much attention. Because anyone who had wouldn't repeatedly making statements about Gaza still "being there" or being lived in.

Gaza is a land of bones and rubble. The towns and cities are depopulated wastelands, with those remaining in the ruins surrounded by decomposing bodies and filth. The vast majority of the population are living in tents in the shrinking "Al Mawasi" humanitarian zone - on the beach in freezing weather, typically receiving a meal lacking in nutrition every other day. When the counting is done, we will certainly find that there are substantially fewer of them than before this kicked off, with the remainder permanently damaged.
Contrary to your assertions, Gaza is gone. The state department narrative of a "day after" where they return and rebuild is as ridiculous and ephemeral at this point as the similarly soothing "two-state solution" which you also seem to accept as being a political or physical possibility.

There are constraints on Israel, which is barely larger than Ireland - how could there not be? These are political, operational, economic and with western opinion. But if there is any sort of coercive leash being operated by the Biden Administration, it would need to be either only an implicit one, or it has somehow achieved the most super-secret methodology towards the leakiest government in the history of man. Because every time they have publicly erected any kind of red line, the Israelis have walked right over it and pissed on it on the way past, to no response from them.
This has been so glaring that it's apparent that the "concerns" regularly expressed by Biden, Blinken and others are merely a staged PR charade and that far from being a bystander, the US has been central to directing the entire endeavor. Witness Biden receiving Herzog last week and declaring eternal friendship, the day after they'd decided to do nothing in response to Israel failing all of it's 19 pre-election tests on the humanitarian situation.

But if your view is really that these people want to, or would, murder everyone in Gaza, I remind you that you've been supporting their operations. This kind of argument is one that we're likely to see from a lot of people. Trump coming to power will provide license to oppose Israels atrocities, an alibi of sorts. A more vociferous opposition will be good, but it will unfortuately not be a principled one.