"Mens Rights Activists" Impersonate Domestic Violence Organization online. Hilarity ensues.

Hmph...

Damn, Dicky. Next you'll be telling me you're an anti-vaxxer. Seriously, guy, this is crazy. None of these women deserved to be harassed and threatened with death over video games, yet their lives have been all but destroyed. If it really is about ethics in gaming journalism, why now? Why not the past 30 years? Because Zoe Quinn's ex boyfriend got pissed at her and set out to make her look bad, and in the process, started a fuckload of misogynistic bullshit that now hides under "journalistic ethics." Bullshit, and the Confederacy was fighting for State's Rights and not for the desire to keep their slaves.

I said so at the first sentence of post #2.
What do you want out of me, to cry and tear my hair out?
No.
I'm not like that.
All right?

It's just that GamerGate exists solely to terrorize these women who are speaking out. Some say it's about journalistic ethics, but it's not. At least, it's not when it comes to the men, who have received little attention, while these women have been harassed, their lives destroyed, and other women threatened. Look at Felicia Day, who was doxxed an hour after she talked about being afraid of what would happen if she spoke out.

For those of you who may not know, doxxing is what happens when you release someone's personal information for the world to see. It has been a common tactic in GamerGate to silence these women. Now, I'm not a fan of ThinkProgress, but their articles on this are cited and sourced in one place.

Sarkeesian's issues with GamerGate

Felicia Day's experiences with GamerGate

And that's only two of many. I've been watching this whole issue unfold for months now, and have kept tabs on it even when it was still referred to as a "Quinnspiracy" (named after Zoe Quinn, the game developer who allegedly slept with a reviewer, who was her boyfriend, for a favorable review on a game, which was later found to be a false allegation against her).

The harrasers should be lined up, and shot, but they're untraceable, so whaddya do?

I didn't watch the whole video, but I skimmed through to see if there was anything that jumped out. The part about how games in which you can fall to your death is not causing people to fall to their deaths is an absurd strawman of Sarkeesian's point. She's not saying "look at these dumb idiots, they do everything they see in video games," she's focusing on the objectification and dehumanization of women. It may not be the main point of most games, but it definitely exists in the background, which may be all that's needed to support a gamer's view of women in general. It's the same thing as racism or smoking or alcohol abuse--if you grow up around it, you just accept it as normal. If your everyday interaction with women is to either ogle them when they show up in video games or ogle them on the internet, it's pretty likely you'll ogle them in real life.

Then they shouldn't be silent.
99.999999999% of the time, it's just a loudmouth asshole trying to intimidate.
And if a real maniac wants to kill you 1.) nothing is going to stop him 2.) he probably won't warn you.
But to live hiding under the bed isn't the way to go.
Celebrities get death threats all the time, but they keep going out, and performing.

So Dickynoo's solution is now HTFU. Interesting.

That's a pretty huge "may".
And if we're to be terrified of shit that goes on in the goddamned background, then what the hell kind of media can you even have anymore?
Bland fucking mush.
Just like the puritan Christians want.
Different paths, same end.

I grew up around rampant amounts of both, and never took to either.

Why is that bad?
People are sexual beings.

I've never even understood the term "sex object".
Everything that physically exists is an object.
Someone you're sexually attracted to is therefore a sex object.
For any romantic relationship to exist, someone is going to be a sex object.
Typically, both people.

You're gonna have to ban sex for that to go away.

Now, if you mean a guy that ONLY sees a woman as a fleshlight...how the fuck do you determine that in every fucking case?
You'd need a mind-scanner.
Or Vulcan thought police.
Not a world I want to live in, sorry.

What's the realistic alternative?
Anita Sarkeesian or Felicia Day to have a posse of bodyguards around them at all times?

How is that going to be logistically possible?

That's fine, but you seem to also, albeit in gentler form, seek to belittle the original argument regarding misogyny in games.

Look, you can't brainwash your way to utopia.

Doesn't work.
Never has.
Liberals have tried it, Conservatives have tried it, the church sure as hell have tried it for millennia.

Even if you accomplish total censorship, and perfect brainwash....rape and violence still happen.

It's got nothing to do with games, books, movies, etc.
Somehow, liberalism latched onto this idea that you can fix what's wrong with human beings by controlling their media.
Um, no.
No, dummies.
Science disagrees, history disagrees.
Where did this idiot notion spring from, and why won't it go away?

Listen to an actual serial killer, fer chrissakes, Jeffrey Dahmer came right out and said to the world that horror movies bored him, and that his own imagination was all he needed.
Get rid of all the naughty media, and humans still have their own fucked up brains to play around with.

Are you kidding me? These women were threatened with death, with rape, their personal lives exposed to all the world, and they don't have the millions that celebrities have to get bodyguards or security teams, and your answer is for them to just live with it? That's highly unreasonable, Dicky. "Whaddayagonadoo" is not a solution, it's a cop-out.

Belittle?
Yeah, guess so.
I don't think it's there, but let's say there is.
Games are interactive, they're not like a painting where the offensive image is still there every time you walk away and come back.
Hack a female character in there, and kill all the males.
Misogyny defeated.

All horrible.

I repeat my question from post 70.
What's the realistic alternative?

You have no clue what the rest of us are talking about. we are saying people need to stop being assholes just because they hide behind anonymity. It's not some grand crusade to control behavior, it's a wagging of the finger and a shaking of the head. And don't even bother to claim you never do that, because I'll just point you to every thread ever posted here about religion.

So, you're just pissed I'm not joining in?
Or not joining in hard enough?

A Pre GG video on Anita. This guy is pretty good at sifting through the bullshit and calling people on it.

There are a number of them: Firstly, the threats need to be taken seriously. Sarkeesian was threatened with death by a guy who said he'd create the worst school shooting in history, and the security people at the event didn't give two shits. Finally, the FBI got involved, and we found out that "oh by the way, she's been getting lots of these, and we've kind of been investigating them. Whoops."

Secondly, there is no such thing as anonymity on the internet. Someone tweets they're going to kill someone, and makes a direct threat, you investigate that fucker. See, that's the biggest issue, is authorities taking a mostly "whadayagonnado?" attitude, and it adds fuel to the idea that these women just aren't being taken seriously. It took over a month for most gaming publications to come out and actually say "hey, um, you know, maybe you shouldn't threaten these women with death and rape, um, please," because apparently that's a controversial stance in the gaming world.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but the name of the organization reminded me of a creepy little German film from some years ago:

The White Ribbon.

You really, really should. AVfM is the moral equivalent of the KKK, and they're engaged in outright fraud.

I see you as part of the problem.

I need to choose my battles, and since I am not now, nor have I ever been, a gamer, there'd be just too much background to learn before I could properly engage. I'm quite aware of the misogyny in the comics/graphic novel world, and even on WF. There I may have some influence. Gaming, not so much.

Then blow my brains out.

So, am I to understand the FBI was doing what they were supposed to?

I forgot the 150 grand that's never going to be seen again.

I agree with him on one thing.
Gaming is doomed.
And maybe, it's good riddance.

and, with all that money, she couldn't be assed to boot up a few of the games she supposedly bought for five minutes to get some gameplay footage, instead taking clips from let's plays without permission.

They're just pissed because they can't get laid. I had no idea gamers dudes were such assholes until my wife brought it up(a gamer chick).

That is probably true but that said there should be full disclosure if they want to pretend they're real journalists. Personally, I haven't bought a game since Civ 5 but I still knew enough not to trust the reviews since they've always been biased for as far back as I can remember. If they don't tell everyone the game is great and that they should go buy it then the publisher just stops sending them free copies along with the freebies like free trips to conventions and tickets to release parties or even just interviews with the developer's team.

That's why I like third party game forums like Apolyton or CFC because folks actually are free to post negative stuff about games. On the official Civ 5 web forum any negative post just got deleted and lots of folks got banned. Luckily, Iit never happened to me but I hardly posted there since there were already two good independent sites.

They claim to be journalists when it comes expo time, but any ethical issues? Nope, they are just "bloggers".