why do white conservative men think if abortions are made completely legal women are going to get pregnant just so they can get an abortion? An abortion is not even close to as amusing as drugs and people do not all get high because it happens to be legal. What part about having to pay a couple hundred dollars to have a doctor scrape a fetal growth off the inside of your body cavity sounds like a pleasant afternoon? I do not have a uterus to know, and I wish I did, but I am pretty sure that is going to be at the very least inconvenient and uncomfortable. It is not something I would want to do, and I am pretty sure once or twice will be enough to have even the the most stupid of sluts learning how to use other forms of birth control. Why the fuck do you anti choice Assholes think this is something that is going to catch on if we make it easy? It is completely legal for you to stick a catheter up your pisshole so you could more conveniently dispose of your piss for long sports games, but no one is lining up for it.
That's actually an angle I hadn't considered. And a pretty good point. Which is why I think when someone has been found to make a false accusation, they really ought to be prosecuted for it somehow to discourage these false results. Of course I'm sure the counter argument to that would be that it also might discourage true victims from reporting.
Because it won't likely ever be them, and if it happens to somebody they love, they'll hide the family shame. If it happens to their secretary due to their own canoodling at the office, they'll have it done in secret. Either way, they will never have to personally worry about it.
Why would anyone think this is why they're anti-abortion? The reason religious folk are anti-abortion is because of the stigma they place on sex. For me the confusion comes in when it comes to caring for the kid once it's been popped out. They have loads of compassion for it when it's still in the womb, but once it's been born it's, "sorry kid, your mom's a whore, better get a job as soon as you can so you don't starve."
Well, for universal application of the death penalty, you need something like @Lanzman's asteroid attractor ray.
So just for clarity, when a woman goes to a doctor and has them perform an abortion on her, both of them should be punished for premeditated, first degree murder in your view. Right?
And so should reproductive rights. That's a coherent position on the Constitution. Claiming you're in favour of a strict constitutional interpretation and then opposing abortion isn't. Some people -- not you -- seem to take such a position, however, and not even realise it.
Yeah, fuck the right to life and liberty. (Just because it's not explicitly in there doesn't mean it's not in there)
Yeah a lot of pro choice people I've talked to view it as as last resort. Plenty of pro-choicers wouldn't do it themselves, but don't want to deny others the liberty to do so based on their morals. Ideally, we should have a strong sex education system with easier/cheaper access to birth control (the pill, IUDs, the shot, etc.) so as to avoid even having to consider abortion.
I wonder: when we develop the technology to reliably transfer and implant embryos and fetuses into other human hosts - whether the host is male or female - how many pro-lifers will line up to get unwanted unborn beings implanted into their own bodies? It would save the life of something you think of as a baby, and that might get killed otherwise (regardless of the legality of abortion); so why wouldn't you?
I think I'm going to regret this, but here goes. Biblically speaking, at what point is a person considered to be alive and a person?
Catholic doctrine has the concept of ensoulment of the fetus. When exactly that is, I don't know. As far as actual scripture goes, to my knowledge, it's silent. I've made my point on abortion in countless other threads, so I won't rehash it here. But looking at the actual legality, this won't survive a court challenge, probably not even in the district court. Medtech has not advanced to the point that 6 weeks is viable, and that's the minimum standard that states have to meet under Casey.
But we all know it's not about protecting children. It's about conservative Christians' unease with sex. It's about punishing loose women. That's the beginning and end of it. - Rob Matter Are you sure about that? I think you are broad-brushing conservatives. I'm a conservative (leaning heavily libertarian) but certainly not religious. I guess you could say strongly agnostic bordering on atheist. I think there are "higher powers" but they have zero to do with "good versus evil" or heaven versus hell." That said I have no unease about sex. Consenting adults can do what they want. I have no problem with birth control - women & men both should have an equal hand in preventing unwanted pregnancies. That said once that sperm meets that egg....it's a human, 100 percent of the time! From that very second, no doubt about it. There won't be a duck, a goat, or even a cute litter of kittens shooting out of that birth canal - just a human baby 100 percent of the time. To to have an abortion is premeditated murder, full stop. Take not I am not saying premeditated murder is wrong! If I enlist in the military (versus being drafted) for financial gain I am an accessory to murder or an actual murderer. Bear in mind I might get murdered too, but that's the risk of the job. So if you are going to get an abortion be prepared to bear any guilt (if bearing guilt is your thing that's okay, it's just not for me) you may feel about killing another human being. Just the "view from my corner of the fish-bowl" as one of my bosses used to say.
Correct, but it is still a human. As I explained, there is no mystery - no duck, goat, or litter of cute kittens is in that womb last time I checked.
Speaking of which, how is it not "murder" or "convenience" to kill a rape baby? Is it less of a human life because of the circumstances surrounding the conception? The child doesn't ask to be a reminder of the most horrific event of his mother's life but isn't it an innocent like the slut babies? It either is a life or it isn't.
Isn't it amazing how John can now ignore people, yet with gturner it was impossible, he had to create a separate room for one person?
