Seriously, Richard? Dawkins Pushes TERF Declaration

Fair enough. Just curious what threat you people think he poses.

Cool. Knock yourself out.

Please, explain my motivations to me.

Is that an overwrought repackaging of "free speech is literal violence" horse hockey? I'm betting we will not agree on what constitutes attributable consequences.

No more than any other influential public figure, I suppose. The sorts of people that lots of other people might listen to and think "hmm, he's right".

Case not in point: you.

Things randomly orbit you, don't they?

Bullshit.

A boogeyman the alt-right planted in your head.
You're just too goddamned numb to see it.

You're free to say anything you like.
Just some things have consequences.
And you know this.
You know the trolls that ran away when Anc took over would have their eyes blackened if they weren't hiding behind keyboards.
Storm is bouncing around all over the country cuz people don't like Nazis.
Gee, whodathunk, huh?
Embracing a philosophy with genocide baked right into it pisses people off.
Isn't that wacky?
What a bunch of snowflakes, huh?

See, if your dream world was consequence-free free speech, I'd call you a naïve dunce, but at least you'd be a consistent naïve dunce.
But that's not what you want.
You want consequence-free free speech for only certain people.
Bigot comedians.
Bigot cartoonists.
Bigot actors.
But if you write for Star Trek, or protest at a college, you must be destroyed.

I can't even call it funny.
It's pathetic.
It's absolutely fucking pathetic.

It's pathetic because you used to know better and be better.

No, he didn't.

Dawkins is a douche, always has been.

Well, my younger self couldn't see Storm for what he was, so maybe I was blinded about all of rightforge.

When I was young and my brain was not formed I was stupid enough to think if I was nice enough to the right they would at least let me be myself someday. It is the mindset of the abused (aka democrats). What did I do to set off the abusers? They tell us that if we just give them some compromise they will be nice and it will never happen again.

Getting along for the sake of a happy nice environment never works because those people never change. People like @Uncle Albert were always this way. You just gave them less opposition to work with. So it seemed like everyone was nicer while they were driving people off. None of this shit is new. I have been fighting stormfront people since before there was a stormfront. people were out there from Q when it was places like ab4d on usenet.

Oh, I was the opposite.
I thought if I dished out as tough as they gave, they'd respect me.
Haha!
Nope!
They respect nothing.
When they run out of different people to pick on, they start slitting each other's throats.

Some of them were either funny assholes or were otherwise normal compared with people like Sokar, so it was easier for folks like oldfella and smart sounding ones like Paladin to slip through the radar.

If you're nice to UA, he complains, if you smack him upside the head, he complains just as hard.
So, I figure, the way to make the noises stop coming out of him would be to hit him hard enough.
I did the math, you'd have to shatter the tip off a mountain with his face.
Like a goddamned Superman battle.
Even if I were packing that much power, it still wouldn't be worth that many calories.
So, I just like scoring points off his dumb unworkable ideas for future history.

@Uncle Albert has completely backed down from me.

This is also quite true. As the herd of racists dwindled OF had to pick up the slack in responses. I am pretty sure the reason UA was gone for a while was there were others around when he popped in. He is not ass involved as sprained dumbass, gturner, or castle was. Without them around he can be #1 racist and that is important to him and his self image. Those guys would be beating him to the punch if they were here, and that would make him feel bad about his broke dick.

Just because I don't agree with your dumb ass on every molecule of political minutia doesn't mean anything was "planted." Unlike you fucktards cheering for a "team," I don't care who the perpetrators are, and nobody gets a pass. If you're trying IN ANY GODDAMNED WAY to control what I must or must not say, what I can or cannot consume as entertainment, who may provide that entertainment or who in general I may associate with, you are my adversary and I will defy.

Now, who is trying to do that? Is it your alt-right strawmen demanding people stop using gendered language or avoid certain halloween costumes? Who is demanding "problematic" TV episodes be pulled from circulation, bitching about "representation" in movies? Used to be conservatives trying to control all sensory input, now they've got competition and both can go fuck themselves.

The concept of "consequences" is not a blunt instrument to empower pissy cause-heads to police everything they see and hear for something offensive that they may crush it and anyone who doesn't condemn it vocally enough. Petulant products of failed parenting do not get to dictate terms to me.

Legitimate consequences from people who have any business imposing them are fine. Random assholes on the street or social media do not qualify. I'll tolerate no wedge in the door for you dickbags who think someone saying a "problematic" word ten fucking years ago justifies crusading to remove their ability to ever have a job or venture out into public without being harassed/assaulted.

I want free speech coupled irrevocably with the required understanding that you will sometimes be offended and have your feelings hurt. I don't who you are or what your motivations may be, your feelings do not dictate my rights.

No, I'm content to say "I disagree with this, think it sucks and refuse to ever comply if it comes up."
I'm not surreptitiously going after peoples' jobs or publishing their home addresses on Twitter. I find that kind of shit cowardly and contemptible.

Alright, goddamn it, enough with that bullshit. From day fucking one, I have ALWAYS refused to see "collective" rights elevated to a higher priority than that of the individual. I have ALWAYS refused any self-important assbag the ability to dictate how I may act on free will, no matter what hollow emotional rhetoric they deploy to justify the act. What I may say, what I may own, what I put in my body or how I am entertained is not for anyone else to approve, and nobody on either side of your imaginary political aisle is afforded any special permissions on this. If you didn't already understand that, then it's time to stop presuming to speak as though you were an authority on the subject, and just shut your fucking dick holster.

Go ahead and disagree. With direct verbatim quotes explicitly proving any accusation, and not the used condoms full of hot donkey farts you usually try to float.

No, if I'm still conscious, you can expect to get smacked right back. Talking ends at that exact moment.

And you decide who that is.
Spot the hypocrisy, kiddies.

And those individuals add up into a group.
A vocal one who screams on Youtube and Reddit.
And you sound just like every last one of them.
But tell me more about how you aren't in a collective.

*Creepy whisper*
Eeeeverythiiing you think you are is a liiieee.

Oh, and....

"Waaahhhh! Waaahhh! Leave me alone!! Leave me alone! .....but I'll never leave you alone!! ".

You don't give a fuck about rights, you're just a selfish prick that gets a hardon watching bullying happen.
To the right people, of course.

He gives "intellectual" cover to those who wish to embrace bigotry without admitting to being a bigot.

Basically, the same function that many preachers serve - "I can't be hateful because I only hate the same people God hates and God can't be wrong"

Once given cover, bigots can act in ways that harm the targets of their bigotry. This is an ongoing war in the UK as we speak. Anti-trans bigotry has co-opted basically all major media there, has serious political influence, and a number of high profile voices running point.

All of it backed behind the scenes by American Evangelical Dominionists - and what succeeds there will return here renewed. The Christian nationalist Theocrats will need a new car for their base to chase once they have achieved the end of abortion - and we're going to be that "car" - the groundwork is already being laid. But hey, they aren't coming for straight cis white males so, ya know, carry on I guess.

Horseshit.

Free speech doesn't equal speech without repercussions. And the only thing constitutional free speech protects you from is government asessed consequences...more, even THAT is not unlimited.

He's not even pro free speech. UA likes speech he agrees with, and doesn't mind speech he can ignore. It's only when people speak up and say "this is awful," or "this is wrong" he speaks out, and not to the person saying the horrible things, but to the people standing up for themselves. He's a privileged asshole, and he likes that privilege, and how dare we narrow his entertainment options because it might result in us getting hurt. That's our problem, not his, and he will defend his right to be entertained and insulated above all else. He wants us to toughen up because that way he won't need to change his own behaviors, so he's a lazy, privileged asshole, too.

"Privilege" is not some magical incantation that renders you immune to any "reasonable person" standard to justify your "unpopular=ruination" mob rule "consequences. " You really need to rethink your existence when you start believing society is best run Like a high school lunch room. What's next? Formalizing with some kind of credit score for social acceptability?

Look how sensitive you are to what people are saying.

Look how unable you are to respond genuinely. Might you be among those who want the world to be run by salacious gossip whores?

Next, remind me when I demanded anyone lose their livelihood over an insensitive comment.

You have such a vivid imagination when it comes to people using their free speech to criticize someone for saying something stupid or offensive just like people have been doing basically forever. You always see the slippery slope there, the danger that those criticisms will be used to justify oppression.

But then in the very same thread you'll say things like "What weight do Dawkins' words carry? What power over you does he wield? What consequences can he impose?" as though those statements you're sympathetic towards couldn't be anything but harmless.

I wonder why criticizing certain people seems completely benign to you, while criticizing the critics themselves is so dangerous?

Now you try to justify your position, but it's empty. You bargain with nothing to offer.

Disingenuous, top to bottom. I don care about people merely criticizing each other, and that is abundantly clear in my post.

Non-responsive.

Attitude, from what I can tell.

Trash.

(I used less words, I win!)