She may be operating under a strict definition of the term. I knew girls in high school who claimed virginity, and perhaps they did have an intact hymen. But that in no way meant that they weren't promiscuous. There are other orifices.
I don't know what's gloomier to contemplate... That Dayton leads a life that most people would end with a noose in the garage, or that he leads the kind of life where the character of Dayton is his escapism.
What is wrong with my life? Loving wife and daughter. Career that is never going away. Church I'm welcome in. Most people should be so lucky
Why do so many of you find it hard to believe that there are men and women who can stay in years long relationships and never have sexual relations? Rare these days no doubt but far from unheard of.
Some of us don't think that. But it seems that you do, since you have stated in this thread that you have no interest in women who won't have sex with you. Personally, I favor having sex with my wife. There are other women in my life that I think I would enjoy sex with, but can happily just be a platonic friend. It's really not that hard to understand.
I never said that. I said I had no interest in being around women unless there was a reasonable possibility of a long term relationship. I said nothing about sex. Sex is for marriage.
I went over that years ago I think when My Diary was in the TrekBBS. I simply do not like being around women in general. Immediate family is okay of course.
A serious question? To be honest this is something I've asked myself many times over the years. Because it is obvious that having better feelings about women in general plus a general level of friendliness and socialbility toward them would've probably benefited me a great deal both personally and professionally. Please note that self analysis is NOT one of my strong points. The best that I can come up with is that I am basically "socially lazy". I do not like to go out of my way to treat people who differ from me in the least in a manner I would not like to be treated. In other words, I am a white, protestant male so I prefer to treat everyone as though they were a white protestant male with similar interests to my own. Naturally you can't treat everyone that way without hurting feelings so I prefer not to bother. Another thing that applies specifically to women (and some men) is that I prefer DIRECTNESS. I loathe having to beat around the bush to figure out what people really want or what they really mean. If someone doesn't like me I prefer that they look me in the face and lay out the reasons why or write them down and give me the list. Likewise for people that have direct positive feelings about me (there are a few). Needless to say, from what I've gathered, most women hate in your face directness (and like I say, a fair number of men do to). You might not believe it, but there have been a few women who have flirted with me in the past (since I've been married). I NEVER recognized it for what it was until my wife informed me.
Okay... after reading your posts in this thread. I firmly believe you are still in the closet, ashamed of it and that's why you express such a hatred for openly homosexual people. I don't, where's the proof?
I have to say, I've never known a gay man who didn't love women. Not in the sense of wanting to fuck, but in all the other ways.
Dayton, here's the number one reason to be friends with women outside of just your wife: Networking. Use them for contacts, to move up in life, and heaven forbid if you actually do get into politics, so you can get their vote and get others to vote for you via word of mouth.
This is actually a very common sentiment I've experienced and one I actually endorse. Married men have female acquaintances, but they don't really have female friends. "Abstain from every form of evil." - 1 Thessalonians 5:22 NKJV The more traditional translation is to abstain from the "appearance of evil." To summarize, the context establishes many things, but one is that any man, including me, can cheat on their wife given the proper circumstances. But, our safest course is to avoid even the slightest temptation, so we don't let ourselves be put into those circumstances. For instance, my wife and I have a mutual female friend. I have what I'll only describe as a "history" with this friend. This friend lives in our neighborhood and frequently walks for exercise. She often stops by when my wife is home, but I'm not comfortable with her stopping by to visit when I'm the only one here. I don't think it's appropriate. It's really the same logic that dictates that a female officer is required to frisk or search a female suspect or for a member of the Clergy to have accountability when he's counselling a female or young parishioner. Anyone can stumble. The best course is to not let yourself get into positions where it's even an option.
Yeah, can't agree with Elwood, particularly if the friend is also a friend of the wife. I can kind of understand that sentiment if she is only your own friend. But at the same time, no. what if somebody is bi? No platonic friends of either gender? Should married women not have male friends? I just can't find room for that kind of jealousy. It's far better to have trust in the primary relationship, so we can then enjoy the secondaries.
The one place where my "hm, maybe this isn't a good idea" reflex might kick in is if the female friend is single and there's an attraction there. Otherwise -- I've had plenty of female friends where there was no romantic or sexual interest whatsoever, at any point in the friendship. That, to me, falls under "just as 'safe' as hanging out with another guy."
You may not like it, and I'm not asking you to agree with it, but that's the reasoning behind my answer to your question. I figured you'd want to know why rather than getting a simple "no."
