Voter ID laws in Wisconsin are *gasp* disenfranchising eligible black voters

1.) You shouldn't lose an important document like a birth certificate. If you're that irresponsible then you will just as easily lose a free ID.
2.) I would call the number at THIS WEBSITE and take the neccessary steps.

Now answer my question where we follow the liberal fairy tale to its conclusion and eliminate the ID requirement. How are poll workers suppose to know that the person standing in front of them is the registered voter they say they are?

My dad was born in 1940, over 3/4's of a century ago and he had a birth certificate and he grew up in a podunk town in SC.

I didn't when I was 18. For some reason, my mom cut the official seal out the one in my baby book to fit a photo and we lived nearly two hours from the county I was born in. We went to a notary public to verify who I was and sent a money order, only to get it returned saying I hadn't proved who I was eventually, my uncle and I had to drive down to Alameda County to pick it up in person ahead of a school trip to Canada.

Between that school trip and the time I joined the Navy, my family had moved twice and it somehow got lost again. My recruiter was able to contact the county to get a copy. By then, I already had a State ID for everyday purposes.



Plus, many birth records got wiped in many Louisiana parishes after Katrina since a lot of the records had yet to be saved digitally. So if you live in that area and don't have a paper copy that hasn't gotten lost in a flood, you're SOL.

Nope. Just learn to Google.

http://new.dhh.louisiana.gov/index.cfm/page/636

Took me less than a minute. It's not rocket science.

Still not seeing an answer to the question. As much as you guys have bitched about this issue it's surprising that you don't have an alternative once you're successful in elimination of the ID requirement.

I'm starting to understand why you're a Hillary supporter.

Because she's black?

Even if it were reasonable for everyone to get an ID, which many argue it already is, there are still people out there who will opt out of getting one. At some point, we have to say, "tough shit."

The argument that conservatives are trying to suppress undesirable voters for political motives -- that goes both ways. You don't actually think the urban liberals pushing this issue have much empathy for poor schmucks in the hinterlands, do you? It's all politics.

Basically my point. Anna pointed out that in 2008 the Democrats did indeed reach out and rectify the situation. So seeing how effective this could be, why in 2016 haven't the Dems set up an organized systematic voting assistance program and promoted it on TV, the internet, radio, etc.etc.etc? Maybe because the very small numbers of people who can't vote aren't worth their trouble & money?
Or maybe they only cherry pick who they help for photo ops? Discuss!

"Sure, we're doing out best to fuck you, but the other guys should have tried harder to keep us from fucking you!"

Which, actually, is more or less the argument Senate Republicans are using on the Saudi Arabia bill...

Yes, the southern, conservative, Democrats of the reconstruction era, the proponents of states rights, did oppose desegregation and equal rights for minorities. Did you think that was some clever gotcha shit?

You know what your problem is as a people and a party? You think trying to act clever is the same as being clever. We all know those southern conservatives, who championed seperate but equal, abandoned the Democrat party in the 60s when Johnson passed the voting and civil rights acts. Just like we all know voter id laws are about suppressing minority votes. We know this because you all aren't really all that clever. No one is buying your bullshit. What amazes me is you think all think there's some percentage is promoting this ridiculous lie. It's not like you all don't know you're racists, and it's not as if we don't know you're racists. Might as well own that shit.

Who do I talk to if I don't have a birth certificate or the Internet?

What alternative is needed? It's a solution in search of a problem. No study or investigation has ever turned up evidence of statistically meaningful vote fraud. You want to require an ID? Fine. But don't make it the voter's obligation. Hand deliver a photo ID to each person, develop a perfect replacement mechanism, and design a fool proof system to ensure that no errors are made reviewing the paperwork by poll workers. Then go for it.

If you want to know why such a plan won't deter vote fraud, just spend some time watching the door at a bar near a college campus.

Agree! But if all your documents got lost in a flood three years ago and you are just now trying to register to vote/drive/work etc. I can't really blame the flood.

Just like we all know voter id laws are about suppressing minority votes. We know this because you all aren't really all that clever. No one is buying your bullshit. What amazes me is you think all think there's some percentage is promoting this ridiculous lie. It's not like you all don't know you're racists, and it's not as if we don't know you're racists. Might as well own that shit. - Herbalist

I'm confused here: exactly who are "we" and who are "you all?" Does "we" mean minorities or liberals or modern democrats or what? Does "you all" refer to whites, conservatives, or what?

@oldfella1962

"We", refers to everyone. Those of you who support voter id laws know you're intent is the racist desire to suppress minority votes and those of us who oppose those laws know that is your intention as well. "You all" refers not to all white people but conservatives who think hiding their racism behind non issues like voter fraud is clever.

There is no difference between the Democrats of then and the Democrats of now. Still the same racist party that's just using black America for it's votes. The Democrat party is the party of racism and fascism. It's just done a brilliant job of concealing it.

Republicans passed the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960's. It was a Republican who wrote the Civil Rights Acts.

Johnson, a flaming racist, wanted the Civil Rights Act passed to continue to get the votes of the black community.

And once again a history lesson:

Of all the Democrats who voted AGAINST the 1964 Civil Rights Act of 1964 only ONE switched to the Republican party. The remaining Democrats stayed Democrat until they retired from office or lost reelection. And a whole lot of them were holding office until the late 1970's to early 1980's.

The reality is that as the South became less racist it became more Republican.

You want to see racism? Go look at all the cities that are run by Democrats.

Voter ID is not suppressing minority votes. You're a fucking idiot whose fallen for the typical leftist crap. Think for yourself God dammit and stop being a cock-sucking sheep.

Requiring an ID in America is no different then the well over 100 plus countries that also ask for an ID to vote.

And if you never had one to begin with? Yanno, as in the numerous examples that have been given you in this forum over the years every time the topic comes up and you lot go

No, its been the law of the land in most states that until recently was seen as common sense.

No statistical evudence has proven that a drivers license creates better drivers. Should we stop issuing licenses because of the large number of driver related fatalities?

If we demanded 100 percent foolproof on everything no laws could ever be passed and government would cease to function.

This is why it's so hard to take your side seriously on this issue. You're demanding a standard that is strangely silent when it comes to other issues and laws passed.

And Ill also chalk you up along with the others who are incapable of answering the question.

I've already answered that multiple times. Strange how someone who spends so much time on the internet all of a sudden becomes ignorant on how its useful.

Ill also take it that you have no answer to the question. Thanks for playing.

There may be a handful of people in this country that don't have one to begin with. It's rare. Very rare at this point in time. Your numerous examples never have names and when you can be bothered to find a story on one it's usually just a single solitary old person without a birth certificate. The way you act you'd think 50% of the country didn't have one.

But it can be dealt with.

You and your fellow leftist who are in such a frothing out the mouth about this issue could each donate $100 to the lawyers to help these people get not only a birth certificate but also a voter ID.

But you won't do it. You'll make the same arguments in 2020 that you're making now. Same as in 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000 and on and on. You're not actually interested in helping those who don't have a birth certificate or voter ID.

In 2050 whatever idiot leftist replaces you after you're dead will probably still be making the same stupid shit-faced arguments. "But what if you don't have a birth certificate?"

You may not like the answer. That does not mean that no answer was given. I'll try asking you again, how you can support a law designed to address a problem that doesn't exist when it clearly causes demonstrable harm?

Sure. You keep fucking that chicken if it makes you feel better.

Both parties passed the Civil Rights Act the Republicans just did it with a greater percentage of votes. Even still the Democrats passed it with a majority. All in all the difference between the republicans who voted for it compared to the Democrats was somewhere between 15%, a sizeable difference to be sure but there is another stat that shows an even greater difference and also reflects the reality we see in the parties and their voting blocks today. If you break down the vote by states in the Union compared to those in the Confederacy and not party affiliation you'll find that less than 10% of congressmen, of either party, from former confederate states voted in favor of its passing compared to the over 80% of congressmen from Union states. Of course you know all of this but are still trying to pretend that the party that represents the south and it's deep seated racism is the democratic party of today. As I said it's the difference between trying to sound clever and actually being clever.

The problem does exist.

There are dead people in Virginia right now who are registering to vote and I'll bet anything that none of the dead vote Republican or Libertarian or even Green Party.

The problem may not be as big as you demand it be in order to have a law passed to address the problem but the problem is there.

Asking for an ID to vote to show that you the voter are who you say you are is not suppressing voting.

The majority of this country want people to have an ID to vote. Whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and everyone else want voter ID. It's only leftists kooks like you who constantly put up a fight against it.

Not satisfactorially.

Democrats treat blacks like babies that can't function in modern society.

News at 11.

So, for example, in Texas you can't get a copy of your birth certificate without a valid photo id, and, of course, you pretty much need a birth certificate to get a first driver's license.

And if your stupid ass had bothered to read your own link you would know that you can still get a birth certificate even without a valid photo ID.

It's right there on the page you linked to your fascistic leftist piece of shit:

Applications for birth certificates cannot be processed without a photo ID or alternate IDs and the signature of the applicant.

Gee what what are the alternate IDs.......

(11) Secondary identification.
(A) In the absence of a form of primary identification, applicants are permitted to submit secondary forms of identification to establish proof of their identity.
(B) When submitting secondary forms of identification, applicants are required to produce:
(i) two forms of Acceptable Secondary Identification, of different types; or
(ii) one form of Acceptable Secondary Identification, plus two forms of Acceptable Supporting Identification of different types.
(C) When submitting secondary forms of identification, the documents combined must confirm the identity of the applicant. At least one of the documents must contain the applicant's name, signature, or identifiable photo of the applicant.
(D) Acceptable forms secondary identification:
(i) Current student identification;
(ii) Any Primary Identification that is expired;
(iii) Signed Social Security card, or Numident;
(iv) DD Form 214 Certificate of Release;
(v) Medicaid card;
(vi) Medicare card;
(vii) Veterans Affairs card;
(viii) Medical insurance card;
(ix) Foreign Passport accompanied by a Visa issued by the United States Department of State;
(x) Foreign Passport in accordance with the United States Department of State, Visa Waiver Program;
(xi) Certified birth certificate from the Department of State (FS-240, DS-1350 or FS-545);
(xii) Private Company Employment Identification card;
(xiii) Form I-94 - accompanied by the applicant's Visa or Passport;
(xiv) Mexican voter registration card; or
(xv) Foreign Identification with identifiable photo of applicant.
(12) Supporting Identification--Other records or documents that verify the applicant's identity. The Vital Statistics Unit refers to their policy for acceptable supporting identification. The examining or supervisory personnel may determine that a supporting identification document may meet the department's requirements in establishing identity.

*mic drop*

I'll be honest, I didn't know it was that close between the two parties, although I'm not surprised about the other part of that.

First, how about some evidence.



Second, how do these dead people vote?