Why Do Americans Vote on Tuesdays?

See, your reading comprehension sucks. I never even said that I had a library card, let alone when or where I obtained it. But since you raise the issue, I do not live now where I grew up, and the library card I have now, obtained as an adult, did not require a photo ID to obtain.

You're right, it was garamet. It's easy to confuse the two of you.

It's easy for you to confuse "must have photo ID to get a library card" with "don't need photo ID to get a library card."

Anything more nuanced than that would be too much to expect.

I needed a photo ID to get my library card, so there!

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So kids aren't allowed to have library cards where you're from? Cause, by and large, kid rarely possess photo ID of any kind.

Under 18 requires a parent or guardian who can sign them up. If the child is not present with the parent at the time a SS card, birth certificate or school report card can be used.

As we keep chasing down this rabbit hole to nowhere!

Does the accompanying adult have to present a photo ID in order to sign up their kid? Do they have to prove the kid is theirs? If it's a rabbit hole, it's been dug by Stupid Local Ordinances.

Anyone genuinely concerned about Gubmint Interference might consider starting at the local level.

Oh the hardship of pulling out my wallet for 10 seconds while they verify my identity. Cause they have no problem loaning out books and having no way to recoup the cost if I fail to bring it back. You guys sound like libertarians or something.

But as I said earlier, you need photo ID to function in society anyway so why is having it to vote such a fucking intrusion compared to everything else?

I don't consider myself a part of leftforge, but garamet is right when saying that not being able to get that birth certificate registered because Jim Crow laws prevented the birth from being recorded can put a damper on things.

About a few years ago, I saw a news report on a 21 year old who got her BC for the first time. Her mother, then an idiot teenager herself, assumedthe hospital just did that automatically and never bother to check up on it. It became a snowball effect that prevented her from getting credit, or medical coverage for her son or a drivers license. Yanno, the ID most commonly used for voting.

Luckily, this was a white woman in Oklahoma this happened to, so she got more help and assistance than I imagined a Latina from a border state might recieve (looking at you, Arizona ).

FWIW, I don't think this means voter id or some national proof of citizenship shouldn't be required. The whole reason voter id laws began was after folks from neighboring states went to Kansas territory to vote in slave laws as it became a state (something many libs either forget or didn't know to begin with). But there are some areas in our country where it may not be as easy as some may think to get ID stuff if you didn't have parents that got the process started as a kid.

Or were systematically prevented from doing so.

See Anna's post just below yours. It's not that it's an inconvenience for you. It's that it's an impossibility for many of your fellow citizens. About whom you apparently don't care, as long as it doesn't affect you.

I'm also wondering how many of these library card/photo ID rules are a result of the PATRIOT Act.

'cause, yanno, terrorists being able to borrow books and use public computers in Ohio is a Genuine Threat to National Security.

1. I think you are making a lot of assumptions about me that you can't back up. It's not that I don't care, it's that getting a fucking ID only costs a fucking $8!!! Hardly impossible.


2. Keep wondering if the Patriot Act necessitated the need for a photo ID to get a library card and get back to me if you find out. Otherwise shut up! Logically, it makes sense that the library just wants to be able to track down overdue books and fines.


3. You and others implied that you don't need a photo ID to get a library card. I proved you wrong. So fuck off.

I looked it up, and it does seem that this has changed. Adults in Boston need to bring a photo ID, although it does not need to be government issued if accompanied by something else like a bill or lease that proves residency.

The point about getting an official ID is that while it is not a burden for most, it is a significant burden, perhaps even impossible for a sizable chunk of our population. So yay for you and me, ID requirements won't keep us from voting or getting a library card. But tough shit for older blacks in the rural South?

Unless. You. Don't. Have. A. Birth. Certificate.

Then. Get. One. It's. Not. Hard!

Either that library card hasn't done you much good, or you're deliberately ignoring a bunch of posts in this thread because they don't fit with your teensy little worldview:

http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2652988/

http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2653197/

http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2653247/

http://wordforge.net/index.php?posts/2653261/

Then enlighten me. The point was that you need a photo ID to do many things in life. Chief among them are getting a job, driving a car and apparently getting a library card. You disputed the latter, I proved you wrong.

I sincerely doubt that a sizable chunk of the over 18 population do not have some sort of picture ID. Please share any data you have that says otherwise.

And fuck off with your smarmy "teensy worldview" bullshit. Just admit you were wrong. At least Gul is big enough to do so. It's a stupid little issue that I can't believe we wasted so much time on anyway. Getting an ID is EASY and CHEAP!!! Prove me wrong. And with more than just some random story about ONE person who had a hard time.

It. Is. If. One. Was. Never. Was. Filed. You. Dumbass. Dog-fellator.

Yes, because that happens to the majority of people. Nice that you resort to insults when shown to be wrong.

No one suggested that it happened to a majority of people, ya stupid asswipe. Were talking about discrimination against MINORITIES you useless pool of Ted Wolfe's spooge.

I resort to insults when confrontede by complete and utter morons, who proved only that photo ID was required to get a Library card in one Ohio county. In Indianapolis, while a photo ID is preferred, there are other, non-photo ID alternatives:

The posts you didn't read contained some information, but here's more:

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/d/download_file_39242.pdf

And here's why:

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/28/146006217/why-new-photo-id-laws-mean-some-wont-vote

Of particular note (as both Anna and I pointed out in the posts you couldn't be bothered to read):

No one said it happened to the majority of people. You're contending it doesn't happen at all. Don't go Federal Farmer on us now, please. One Deliberate Dumbass is more than enough.

If truly 11% of the people can't get a photo ID then not being able to vote is really the least of their problems. #1 is of course, no library books.

Instead of railing against voter ID laws, the Left should be rallying to help these people get ID's. And I will state here, that the Right is full of shit with their photo ID laws. Polling stations should only be able to verify that the person is registered to vote and they are voting in the right place.That's it!

They are:
http://www.fairelectionsnetwork.com/webfm_send/76

So if the right is full of shit on stated reasons for voter ID (they are), then why ignore the possibility of a different, less acknowledged reason?

They are - The Adventure Continues: We forced the State of Indiana to make State photo IDs free, so as to not be an undue burden on poor people. They still TRY to charge you $11.50, but if you specifically request that you want it free for voting purposes, they have to waive the fee.

Like this, maybe?

Incidentally, the routine would be a lot more effective if mutliple Republicans weren't already on record admitting that they're trying to make voting as difficult as possible in ways that disproportionately affect traditionally Democratic groups.

Oops!

That's weird, it works for me. I'll try it without the code.

http://www.reporternews.com/news/po...ask-that-voters-get-better-id-access_49620556

Still doing it. Sure it's not a subscriber only page?

On the flip side, it's entirely possible that some Dems would like to see ID laws loosened to allow more illegals to slip through and vote.

The whole ID thing is a reason why laws to give illegals drivers licenses have been shot down, but after driving for the last six months around the San Diego Naval Base that's ten minutes from the border, there is certainly an argument to separate the license from automatic proof of citizenship. I couldn't care less if the guy in the car in front of me is a citizen, just that he knows how to merge properly and signal correctly. A national ID of citizenship would solve a helluva lotta problems in one fell sweep.