Yet another right wing domestic terrorist attack.

Cool story, bro. But you forget that there is a Democratic candidate with far more foreign policy experience than any other candidate from either party.

What could have possibly given you the idea that Hillary is running on anything she accomplished as Sec. of State? Her turn at the position was disastrous.

The reaction of the 'Pro-lifers' to this event shows how disingenuous their 'beliefs' about abortion really are.

If someone sincerely believed that abortion was murder, then how can they view what this guy did as wrong? If you sincerely believed that your neighbor was a serial murderer in cahoots with the law, and you saw a load of school children going into his house, wouldn't you have a moral obligation to stop it? You think you're going to go to your heaven and your god asks "Hey, millions of people were being slaughtered, and you stood there and did nothing?" and your indignant response of "I wrote some very strongly worded emails to my Congressman about cutting funding to the mass murders!" will get you off the hook?

Of course not, that's ridiculous. No 'Pro-lifer' believes that bullshit. They know it is isn't murder, but they also know their moral/religious argument no longer holds any weight. They can't be honest and say "We oppose abortion b/c those sluts shouldn't be having sex in the first place, they need to live with the consequences of their actions!" Instead they have to cloak their repression in bullshit language about life. But then when shit hits the fan, when someone is crazy enough to actually believe the bullshit, when a person actually has the courage to act on their convictions all the 'Pro-Lifers' run away and try and disown the guy.

@T.R thinks it's a lie, but Fox news definitely incites violence. Here's another example where a guy burned down a mosque because he became enraged at Moslems by watching Fox news.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/2345708

And it turns out that one of the reasons that it's easy for guys like @The Flashlight to believe that right wing terrorism isn't a problem, is because Congress defunded the Homeland security program that studied the issue. The one report that was issued, which made clear that it was indeed a high threat level, resulted in the program being eliminated.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...ts-conservatives-fired-the-guy-studying-them/

Oh, is that what I believe? Your strawmen are so shitty these days.

To pull a page from Garamet's playbook, if you want to know what I believe, why not ask me?

Yep, I remember that well. Republicans got their poor little feelings hurt when the topic of white conservative Christian terrorism came up.

Wow, Huckabee actually called it domestic terrorism. I'm impressed. Then he tried to make it about John Kerry. Not impressed.

Yet in another thread someone linked a WaPo article that tried to show that right-wing terrorism killed more people than jihadists since 9/11. They ignored most of the Muslim attacks (counting only 26 dead instead of 80) but still only managed to come up with 48 victims of right wing terrorism, which was 3.4 per year. Bears kill about 3 people a year, dogs kill almost 30, and lightning kills 90.

Yeah, the WashPo article under counted both flavors of terrorism. According to this article, there were an average 337 incidents of domestic right wing terrorism per year in the decade following 9/11, with 254 fatalities. But I suppose you are just fine with that.

The source for the higher count is a hot mess. I can't even find much coherence in it, other than they classify pretty much everyone as right wing at some point or anther, even big-state progressives.

Oh, sounds like one of your posts, just substitute left-wing for right-wing. Interesting.

Seriously, have a look. Apparently racism started shortly after the Civil War, driven by the far right, who he doesn't realize were Democrats. It fired up again during WW-I but he never mentions that the 2nd KKK was the armed wing of the progressives doing Woodrow Wilson's bidding.

It goes so far out of its way to avoid the obvious that it's at time hilarious, such as when it talks about German-American National Socialists by saying:

Finally, as the United States became more involved in the war, there was a growing perception in the law enforcement community that the Bund harbored subversive potential. This led to a series of federal and local investigations against the organization, and to its eventual dissolution in December 1941.​

Comedy gold.

Later he tracks right wing attacks by issue, and one of the issues he lists was the Americans with Disabilities Act. WTF?

By the time he gets down to brass tacks, he's got so many screwed up assumptions that nothing works out like he expects.

The findings provide several important insights regarding the dynamics and geographical dispersion of far-right violence and challenge conventional wisdom. To 97 begin with, the area which was the birthplace of groups such as the KKK and the major concentration of far right violence during the 1960s, is no longer the natural habitat of the violent American far right. North Carolina, the southern state with the highest level of far-right violence, is ranked only thirteenth among all states. If we include Texas, we can only find two southern states in the top 15. Furthermore, the states which were mostly associated with the American far-right in the past are mostly ranked in the middle or the lower third in terms of number of attacks, including Mississippi (ranked 41), West Virginia (40), Kansas (39), Alabama (33), Kentucky (29), South Carolina (28), Tennessee (25), Georgia (23), Louisiana (22) and Missouri (21). This clearly represents a different situation than forty or fifty years ago, when the Deep South was engraved in the American collective mindset as a hotbed of racial, anti-abortion and religiously driven violence.

If the South is no longer the hub of far right violence, which regions are? It appears that the exact opposite is the case. In terms of the number of attacks, the two states at the top of the list are California and New York, which are considered liberal—or blue—in terms of their ideological and political orientation. To illustrate, both states have voted for Democratic presidential candidates in the last 24 years. When looking at the rest of the states that occupy the top ten spots, the blue trend is consistent: we can find Illinois (ranked 5th), Massachusetts (6th), Pennsylvania (7th), Washington (8th), New Jersey (9th) and Oregon (10th). Thus, it can be determined that during the last twenty years the violence has shifted from the center/South to the coasts and the North (with the exception of Texas).​

Gee, all the "right-wing" attacks happen in liberal land and he can't figure out why.

As soon as you start pretending that modern Democrats have anything in common politically with 1860 Democrats, your argument goes out the window. Nobody is fooled by your lies. Knock it off.

Yeah, I think the last of the Southern Democrat segregationists retired from the Senate in 2010 or so. The end of an epoch.

The Colorado shooter was apparently an okay guy, an art dealer who liked U2 and didn't pay much attention to politics - till he got divorced and started smoking weed.

You act like it's such a big deal when in fact most are calling it what it is : a deranged sycopath that committed a horrible crime. What's really been disgusting is the left's quickness to make political hay out of this tragedy by casting blame on opponents of planned parenthood. I shouldn't be surprised because it's pretty much been their MO for years to try and tie their opponents to a gun tragedy before the bodies even have a chance to get cold. Still sickening.

Meanwhile, the GOP candidates have responded though I'm sure it will still be not enough for the sycophons who all of a sudden care about dead cops.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...miss-link-to-antiabortion-rhetoric/?tid=sm_fb

Whereas some of us prefer to call it Yet Another Crazy with a Gun.

Yanno, the ones you guys always claim you want something done about...but never do.

AKA the argument for the case of abortion,

And of course here in Florida a candidate hopeful couldn't wait beyond 24 hours to seize on the tragedy ..


http://www.saintpetersblog.com/archives/246205

IKR? God knows no one on the right EVER did anything like that (every day)!!!

It seems if a fact hurts one of his positions T.R. thinks no one should ever mention it. To try to change a failed policy or highlight a problem is just "opportunism".

Of course, if it hurts the other side we never hear such a thing out of him. What an "independent".

It's hard to reason with someone who only sees Left Wing/Right Wing comparisons everywhere. It becomes rather tedious.

The obvious problem is the lax Colorado pot laws that let the guy stay so stoned he became psychotic.

There is a guy on Politicalforum.com that constantly presents the same strawman argument.

Do you ever post there?

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Yeah okay. Your idea of " change" is to make republicans stop opposing planned parenthood. Nothing more, nothing less. Won't happen. Nothing they said in any way told people to pick up arms and go on a shooting spree no matter how much you wish it so.

They can oppose all they want but when they lie and demonize then they are just feeding the beast of right wing terrorism.

So when the shooter was talking about selling baby parts, something that factually never happened but which Republicans and the right wing media constantly lied about and which they made endless speeches declaring PP guilty based upon... Nothing at all. You think those two things are unconnected? @T.R.

Hell, legalizing the donation of fetal tissue was a law Republicans proposed and passed, to try to get something good out of a bad situation and save lives via medical research. The lying fundamentalists just out and out lied and this guy even said those lies are what motivated his terrorist attack. We have a direct line from Republican lying rhetoric to terrorism.

They are as tightly connected as the Sharon Tate murders were to the songs "Piggies" and "Helter Skelter." At the murder scene blood was used to write those words on the walls. Going by your "logic" the Beatles were responsible for those murders because a deranged sociopath thought he was being told to kill rich white people and start a race war.