SARS II: Respiratory Boogaloo

Bailey · Apr 14, 2020

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We were all slow on the uptake to varying extents.

All of us.

Blaming the WHO is absurd considering they were the single organisation which managed to be on the curve.
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WHO is influenced too heavily by the Chinese. The Chinese need to be backed away from it and WHO needs to be purged.

China influenced WHO to block Taiwan from accessing the WHO.

The head of WHO, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, got the spot because of the Chinese and he has done way too much covering for China's actions during this outbreak. He has to go.
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The WHO have been our single best source of information from the start and continue to be the most objective source of medical information and guidance on a global scale.

The criticism they have come under is about deflecting the blame from various leaders who can't acknowledge how badly they've handled this. Everything, literally EVERYTHING, we needed to see this coming was in the public domain in January and it was the WHO putting it out there. If you try to claim otherwise I'll point you to the origins of this very thread and the intelligent laypeople posting here who didn't need it drummed into them by the media, the intelligence community and the health industry and weren't at all taken by surprise when it didn't respect borders and spread to SK then Italy.

So bollocks to politicians trying to place the blame on doctors who gave them the information they needed but did fuck all.

Period.
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I've mentioned it before in this thread, but it's worth bearing again that there are countries who actually got most of our overseas cases from the USA. If the whole situation wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious to have people like Zombie attacking China, saying that Trump did nothing wrong, while the slow reaction of the USA (including Trump actively downplaying/"cheerleading" the numbers) is responsible for not insignificant global spread.

Tererune · Apr 14, 2020

Bailey said: ↑

spot261 said: ↑

Zombie said: ↑

spot261 said: ↑

We were all slow on the uptake to varying extents.

All of us.

Blaming the WHO is absurd considering they were the single organisation which managed to be on the curve.
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WHO is influenced too heavily by the Chinese. The Chinese need to be backed away from it and WHO needs to be purged.

China influenced WHO to block Taiwan from accessing the WHO.

The head of WHO, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, got the spot because of the Chinese and he has done way too much covering for China's actions during this outbreak. He has to go.
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The WHO have been our single best source of information from the start and continue to be the most objective source of medical information and guidance on a global scale.

The criticism they have come under is about deflecting the blame from various leaders who can't acknowledge how badly they've handled this. Everything, literally EVERYTHING, we needed to see this coming was in the public domain in January and it was the WHO putting it out there. If you try to claim otherwise I'll point you to the origins of this very thread and the intelligent laypeople posting here who didn't need it drummed into them by the media, the intelligence community and the health industry and weren't at all taken by surprise when it didn't respect borders and spread to SK then Italy.

So bollocks to politicians trying to place the blame on doctors who gave them the information they needed but did fuck all.

Period.
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I've mentioned it before in this thread, but it's worth bearing again that there are countries who actually got most of our overseas cases from the USA. If the whole situation wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious to have people like Zombie attacking China, saying that Trump did nothing wrong, while the slow reaction of the USA (including Trump actively downplaying/"cheerleading" the numbers) is responsible for not insignificant global spread.
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Large amounts of infection in the US also came from europe and the middle east. It is what unites us globally as humans. Diseases like this do not care about borders, they are not racist. They hit everyone, and they can come from anywhere. There may be some cultural holes we can fill up, but this is being human and we all get infected. It is not the chinese who are our enemy or to blame, it is the disease. If we all worked together better we would be able overcome this shit better and faster.

It is actually our borders and our separations that cripple us in these situations. That is because we have to take time with knowledge going across boundaries, we keep secrets which ruin data, and we fight each other over who is to blame while we should be working together to find a treatment and vaccine. If this had popped up and we had the world working on the vaccine we would be way ahead of our present position now.

There are some things which are beyond petty nationalistic and cultural differences.

notnick · Apr 14, 2020

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The economy is going to be doomed to a long, deep recession if we don't get back to work soon. Much of what is inactive now can still come back, but it will be irretrievable once businesses permanently fold, payments aren't made, orders are cancelled, jobs become non-existent, renters are evicted, and homeowners are foreclosed on. It is probably already too late to avoid a fairly sharp recession of some sort, but we can still avoid a depression.

Deaths/resource usage is expected to peak here in California within the next week. That isn't the end of it, of course, but I'd like to see business resume first or second week of May. Yes, we'll have to maintain social distancing, forego large gatherings, wear masks, keep up the hand washing, work at home as much as possible, etc. But we need to get back to work.

If we do, could cases spike again? Maybe. But we've blunted the initial surge tremendously, and we're bringing more resources to bear, so we should be better able to weather it.
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Shirogayne said: ↑

Paladin said: ↑

The economy is going to be doomed to a long, deep recession if we don't get back to work soon. Much of what is inactive now can still come back, but it will be irretrievable once businesses permanently fold, payments aren't made, orders are cancelled, jobs become non-existent, renters are evicted, and homeowners are foreclosed on. It is probably already too late to avoid a fairly sharp recession of some sort, but we can still avoid a depression.

Deaths/resource usage is expected to peak here in California within the next week. That isn't the end of it, of course, but I'd like to see business resume first or second week of May. Yes, we'll have to maintain social distancing, forego large gatherings, wear masks, keep up the hand washing, work at home as much as possible, etc. But we need to get back to work.

If we do, could cases spike again? Maybe. But we've blunted the initial surge tremendously, and we're bringing more resources to bear, so we should be better able to weather it.
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Or, yanno, we could have a government that enforces a stop-gap on such things and put more money into the pockets of the taxpayers so they can continue to pay bills while we stay at home not working.

Good Lord, you really don't give a damn about anything but money, do you?
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You're a child with no understanding of how the world works. Like a child, you think the answer to every problem is gimme, because you don't understand that wealth and value aren't things that fall out of the sky.
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Bickendan · Apr 14, 2020

notnick said: ↑

Paladin said: ↑

The economy is going to be doomed to a long, deep recession if we don't get back to work soon. Much of what is inactive now can still come back, but it will be irretrievable once businesses permanently fold, payments aren't made, orders are cancelled, jobs become non-existent, renters are evicted, and homeowners are foreclosed on. It is probably already too late to avoid a fairly sharp recession of some sort, but we can still avoid a depression.

Deaths/resource usage is expected to peak here in California within the next week. That isn't the end of it, of course, but I'd like to see business resume first or second week of May. Yes, we'll have to maintain social distancing, forego large gatherings, wear masks, keep up the hand washing, work at home as much as possible, etc. But we need to get back to work.

If we do, could cases spike again? Maybe. But we've blunted the initial surge tremendously, and we're bringing more resources to bear, so we should be better able to weather it.
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Paladin said: ↑

Shirogayne said: ↑

Paladin said: ↑

The economy is going to be doomed to a long, deep recession if we don't get back to work soon. Much of what is inactive now can still come back, but it will be irretrievable once businesses permanently fold, payments aren't made, orders are cancelled, jobs become non-existent, renters are evicted, and homeowners are foreclosed on. It is probably already too late to avoid a fairly sharp recession of some sort, but we can still avoid a depression.

Deaths/resource usage is expected to peak here in California within the next week. That isn't the end of it, of course, but I'd like to see business resume first or second week of May. Yes, we'll have to maintain social distancing, forego large gatherings, wear masks, keep up the hand washing, work at home as much as possible, etc. But we need to get back to work.

If we do, could cases spike again? Maybe. But we've blunted the initial surge tremendously, and we're bringing more resources to bear, so we should be better able to weather it.
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Or, yanno, we could have a government that enforces a stop-gap on such things and put more money into the pockets of the taxpayers so they can continue to pay bills while we stay at home not working.

Good Lord, you really don't give a damn about anything but money, do you?
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You're a child with no understanding of how the world works. Like a child, you think the answer to every problem is gimme, because you don't understand that wealth and value aren't things that fall out of the sky.
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Who the fuck are you/whose dual are you?

notnick · Apr 14, 2020

Bickendan said: ↑

notnick said: ↑

Paladin said: ↑

The economy is going to be doomed to a long, deep recession if we don't get back to work soon. Much of what is inactive now can still come back, but it will be irretrievable once businesses permanently fold, payments aren't made, orders are cancelled, jobs become non-existent, renters are evicted, and homeowners are foreclosed on. It is probably already too late to avoid a fairly sharp recession of some sort, but we can still avoid a depression.

Deaths/resource usage is expected to peak here in California within the next week. That isn't the end of it, of course, but I'd like to see business resume first or second week of May. Yes, we'll have to maintain social distancing, forego large gatherings, wear masks, keep up the hand washing, work at home as much as possible, etc. But we need to get back to work.

If we do, could cases spike again? Maybe. But we've blunted the initial surge tremendously, and we're bringing more resources to bear, so we should be better able to weather it.
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Paladin said: ↑

Shirogayne said: ↑

Or, yanno, we could have a government that enforces a stop-gap on such things and put more money into the pockets of the taxpayers so they can continue to pay bills while we stay at home not working.

Good Lord, you really don't give a damn about anything but money, do you?
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You're a child with no understanding of how the world works. Like a child, you think the answer to every problem is gimme, because you don't understand that wealth and value aren't things that fall out of the sky.
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Posting
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Who the fuck are you/whose dual are you?
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nope no dual been here (mostly as a lurker) since the 'migration' from the TREKbbs years and years ago when it first started i can't remember all the names but i do remember Cassandra, Red Whacker etc......

notnick · Apr 14, 2020

you might want to refer to my join date....... as i said been here a long time

Tererune · Apr 14, 2020

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you might want to refer to my join date....... as i said been here a long time
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You know @Paladin pretty well.

notnick · Apr 14, 2020

just havin' a little fun no harm intended trying to keep the mind sharp. At almost 65 years old the mind is about the only thing i can 'exercise' these days

Bickendan · Apr 14, 2020

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you might want to refer to my join date....... as i said been here a long time
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Ah, so you're @Soma's dual. Got it.

notnick · Apr 14, 2020

oh man..........................you outted me! gotta hide my tracks better. but still no dual

Bickendan · Apr 14, 2020

Everyone's Soma's dual

notnick · Apr 14, 2020

OH! I forgot about that. you sir have WON the internet

Tererune · Apr 14, 2020

notnick said: ↑

oh man..........................you outted me! gotta hide my tracks better. but still no dual
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At least no one has called you dayton yet.

Tererune · Apr 14, 2020

Bickendan said: ↑

Everyone's Soma's dual
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That makes me as gay as soma. I have gotten to the center. For some reason I feel dirty and stupid.

notnick · Apr 14, 2020

Tererun said: ↑

notnick said: ↑

oh man..........................you outted me! gotta hide my tracks better. but still no dual
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At least no one has called you dayton yet.
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yeah please no.........................

Forbin · Apr 14, 2020

Saw some expert or other on Fox yesterday asked if the president was right that opening the country was up to him alone, and the guy said emphatically no, no, no, wrong, it's up to individual state governors and the pres has no legal say. The anchor looked a little upset.

Elwood · Apr 14, 2020

You should really read the thread.

I mean, I get what they're saying, but...wow. Did no one at RPD take a constitutional law class in college or at the academy? That's a big PR blunder in an agency that's big enough to know better. This isn't the Mayberry Sheriff's Office with Barnie on Twitter.

Tuckerfan · Apr 14, 2020

Minsc&Boo · Apr 14, 2020

Would zombie make a better prime minister then boris and a better president then trump?

Bickendan · Apr 14, 2020

Probably not, and unconditionally yes.

Order2Chaos · Apr 14, 2020

Seems New York missed a few COVID deaths... NYC Death Toll Jumps by 3700 After Uncounted Fatalities are Added

NYC death toll jumps by 3,700 after uncounted fatalities are added
The city now has more than 10,000 deaths.

By ERIN DURKIN

04/14/2020 05:08 PM EDT

New York City’s official coronavirus death toll has soared past 10,000, after thousands of deaths that previously went uncounted were added to the city’s statistics.

In a new count released Tuesday, 3,778 more deaths were added to the rolls — driving up the previously recorded total of 6,589 by more than half. Now, the city records 10,367 deaths related to the virus.

Previously, the city had not counted people who died at home without getting tested for the coronavirus, or who died in nursing homes or at hospitals, but did not have a confirmed positive test result. Mayor Bill de Blasio admitted last weekthat the true number of deaths was far higher than the official tally, and said the city would start including presumed coronavirus cases in its data.

The latest statistics include probable coronavirus deaths through Monday. And even the new statistics may understate the death toll. Probable deaths were recorded as people who did not have a positive lab test for Covid-19, but did have Covid-19 or something similar listed as the cause of death on their death certificate.

People whose death certificates don’t mention the virus still are not counted. From March 11 through April 13, 8,184 city residents died of all causes who are not classified as confirmed or probable coronavirus victims.
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So supposing you backfill the US death toll numbers, weighted towards recency... the plateau is gone. We're still climbing, albeit probably linearly.

RickDeckard · Apr 14, 2020

Trump just defunded the WHO. In our present situation that's a crime against humanity. His behavior is only going to get worse. Americans need to get rid of him, right now. What a fucking unconscionable prick.

Order2Chaos · Apr 14, 2020

RickDeckard said: ↑

Trump just defunded the WHO. In our present situation that's a crime against humanity. His behavior is only going to get worse. Americans need to get rid of him, right now. What a fucking unconscionable prick.
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What an utter moron. All this will do is drive the WHO deeper under China's control. Has he never heard of a buy-out? (I guess not; he's much more familiar with bankruptcy, after all)

Bailey · Apr 14, 2020

Order2Chaos said: ↑

RickDeckard said: ↑

Trump just defunded the WHO. In our present situation that's a crime against humanity. His behavior is only going to get worse. Americans need to get rid of him, right now. What a fucking unconscionable prick.
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What an utter moron. All this will do is drive the WHO deeper under China's control. Has he never heard of a buy-out? (I guess not; he's much more familiar with bankruptcy, after all)
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Paladin is overjoyed.

Tuckerfan · Apr 14, 2020

oldfella1962 · Apr 14, 2020

well it looks like some of the North Carolina residents aren't exactly "team players" in the struggle to reign in the virus!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...g-governors-order/ar-BB12D7EM?ocid=spartandhp

Steal Your Face · Apr 14, 2020

oldfella1962 said: ↑

well it looks like some of the North Carolina residents aren't exactly "team players" in the struggle to reign in the virus!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/p...g-governors-order/ar-BB12D7EM?ocid=spartandhp
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People are getting stir crazy, but we've got to hold the line just a little bit longer.

shootER · Apr 14, 2020

Utah mother selling social distancing penis face masks raises $56K for non-profit, so far

Man Afraid of his Shoes · Apr 14, 2020

Why Did The World Shut Down For COVID-19 But Not Ebola, SARS Or Swine Flu?

Tuckerfan · Apr 15, 2020

This is not a problem we should be having right now.

Thousands of coronavirus tests are going unused in US labs

As the United States struggles to test people for COVID-19, academic laboratories that are ready and able to run diagnostics are not operating at full capacity.

A Nature investigation of several university labs certified to test for the virus finds that they have been held up by regulatory, logistic and administrative obstacles, and stymied by the fragmented US health-care system. Even as testing backlogs mounted for hospitals in California, for example, clinics were turning away offers of testing from certified academic labs because they didn’t use compatible health-record software, or didn’t have existing contracts with the hospital. Researchers warn that if such hurdles remain, labs trying to join the effort to fight coronavirus might end up spinning their wheels. The United States is now the global epicentre of the pandemic, with more than 430,000 confirmed cases of COVID-19, including nearly 15,000 deaths.

“Our capacity is 2,000 tests a day,” says Stacey Gabriel, a human geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard in Cambridge, Massachusetts, where testing facilities were approved in March. “But we aren’t doing that many. Yesterday was around 1,000. What is holding us back? That is the question,” she says.

The Broad and several other leading US labs spent thousands of dollars to pivot their facilities — which usually focus on topics from genome engineering to stem-cell research — to testing people for the coronavirus, using the basic technique PCR. They navigated complex federal regulations and tweaked their molecular-biology protocols. But despite this, some say they’re performing at half capacity or less because of supply shortages or because hospitals won't send them samples. “We can give results in 12 hours — 24 at the most,” says David Pride, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of California, San Diego, who helps lead a testing operation. But he’s found that many hospitals continue to stick with the diagnostic companies they are accustomed to — even though turnaround times are reported to be three to seven days because of demand.

The barriers are troubling because more people must be tested to stop the spread of the coronavirus. In shared living facilities, for example, administrators need to know if residents or employees could be shedding virus. And health-care workers worry about a lack of tests for themselves, fearing that they could pass infections on to vulnerable people. “Many hospitals are denying or delaying testing of nurses who have been exposed or are even showing symptoms,” says Zenei Cortez, president of National Nurses United, a 150,000-member union based in Silver Spring, Maryland.

Scientists say federal leadership is needed to organize US testing, to reduce bureaucratic and logistical barriers. They’re also joining up online to share tips so that labs around the world can get up to speed. “There is a misconception that you only need a PCR machine and a PhD — that is 10% of what you need,” says Fyodor Urnov, a scientific director at the Innovative Genomics Institute at the University of California, Berkeley, which launched a testing operation on 30 March, after weeks of challenges. “My life is waking up at 3 in the morning, and thinking of the 24 things that will go wrong today.”

‘They created a nightmare’
The World Health Organization (WHO) began warning governments to prepare for COVID-19 in January. The agency also vetted and distributed a German-developed PCR-based test for the virus. But rather than use this test, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) developed its own. For most of February, this was the only test permitted in the United States.

With revelations in late February that CDC tests were in short supply and faulty, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which regulates the use of new diagnostic tests, allowed academic laboratories to start coronavirus testing. But these labs require a Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments (CLIA) certificate, showing that they meet quality standards. On the day of the FDA’s announcement, 29 February, the University of Washington’s virology department in Seattle sprang into action. As a diagnostic lab serving hospitals affiliated with the university, it had the network, know-how and CLIA certification needed to get started immediately.

As other leading molecular-biology departments scrambled to join the effort, gaining the certificate proved cumbersome, so many found partners at CLIA-certified clinics nearby. “This was deeply non-trivial,” says Urnov. His institute, led by Jennifer Doudna, co-discoverer of the CRISPR gene-editing tool, realized it could get into the game by partnering with the university’s student health centre. Researchers made similar arrangements at the Broad Institute, Boston University in Massachusetts and the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub in San Francisco, California.

Another step — the one that leading scientists are best prepared to address — was working out the most reliable test to use. Many decided against the CDC’s version. “I don’t want to be disparaging, but the people who made the CDC kit simply failed at molecular biology — they created a nightmare,” says Urnov. He considered using the WHO’s recommended protocol, but worried about running out of essential components, because labs worldwide are using this test. Left and right, he says, researchers were talking about shortages. Urnov landed on a test developed by the biomedical company Thermo Fisher Scientific, headquartered in Waltham, Massachusetts, chiefly because the company’s scientific officer guaranteed that it would keep the institute in supplies. (A CDC spokesperson defends the quality of the agency’s tests and their roll-out, saying that the agency rapidly developed a test for public-health surveillance. She adds: “CDC also encouraged our government partners to work with the private sector to develop diagnostic tests for commercial use.”)

At Boston University School of Medicine, stem-cell biologist George Murphy opted to use the WHO’s protocol, but asked researchers in his lab to find alternative ingredients in case shortages cropped up. “Every day there is something running out, so we are always making and validating changes,” he says. They use the instant-messaging platform Slack to discuss these changes with more than 600 researchers trying to ramp up testing around the world.

‘The whole thing has been an odyssey’
A new wave of challenges began when the labs reached out to hospitals in need of tests. “The business of American medicine and the way it is organized is astonishingly unprepared for this,” Urnov says. One problem is that US hospitals use a range of software platforms for electronic health records. Many also have strict administrative procedures for setting up accounts with labs, exchanging samples and handling billing, adds Pride. For this reason, several hospitals chose to stick with the commercial labs they’re already working with, say researchers.

In California, the figures are stark: in late March, the state’s health department reported a backlog of almost 57,000 tests. Even so, Urnov says, hospitals rejected an offer of free tests from his centre, funded by philanthropic organizations. “I show up in a magic ship,” Urnov says, “with 20,000 free kits and CLIA and everything, and the major hospitals say: ‘Go away, we cannot interface with you.’”

In an e-mail to Nature, Emma Dugas, a media-relations officer at the Sutter Health hospital system in northern California, said: “Sutter did explore COVID-19 test analysis with at least one academic provider. To succeed, an electronic interface between the lab provider and Sutter Health is needed.” Dugas adds that Sutter does not foresee partnering with academic labs in the future, and that it is expanding its internal testing capabilities.

Determined to do something useful with its free tests, Berkeley’s team reached out to city health officials and the non-profit organization LifeLong Medical Care, which, among other services, provides care for people without permanent homes or medical insurance in Berkeley and surrounding cities. City officials asked the team to test firefighters and, this week, LifeLong sent its first samples from homeless individuals to the lab. LifeLong’s software doesn’t align with Berkeley’s system, so information must be entered manually for now, says chief medical officer Michael Stacey. “It’s not ideal,” he adds, “but we are being flexible because we want to test people now.”

Flexibility was also key to Murphy’s operation at Boston University, which is affiliated with Boston Medical Center. After the lab obtained regulatory authorization, a graduate student studying bioinformatics wrote a computer script that would allow test results to feed directly into the medical centre’s electronic health-record system. Only with that in place could the hospital send the lab samples and hear back about results. “The hospital said, normally, this would take six months,” Murphy says. His team has shared the code that made this possible on the online repository GitHub, in the hope that other academic labs can make use of it. “This whole thing has been an odyssey, says Murphy.

Other groups are making progress, but only with partners willing to be flexible. “It took about 2,000 phone calls and many e-mails, but we’re getting there,” says Gabriel. Still, she worries that the hurdles faced by her team at the Broad will slow down other labs. Testing efforts will be especially crucial as the country relaxes social-distancing measures, adds Patrick Ayscue, an epidemiologist involved with testing at the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub. “We need a national framework for states to make decisions on testing,” he says. In a letter to the White House obtained by Nature, scientists listed the bottlenecks they face, along with a plan to help cities and towns across the United States get the tests they need.

The call is coming from other directions, too. On 8 April, three congressional leaders in Washington DC sent a letter to Alex Azar, the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, to create a national strategy for testing. “Members of Congress continue to be deeply alarmed about the reports of testing shortfalls and testing supply availability,” they wrote. “It is past time that the administration used every tool in its power to fix these problems.”
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